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mattlapp
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« on: November 27, 2003, 03:16 PM »

Hi drummers

I will post one quick and basic question. What is the proper way of holding the matched grip. Somebody told me that you need to have the fulcrum on the first line of the index finger. This is not on the middle joint of the index finger but on the first joint of this finger (looking from the nail up). I also saw this technique reccomended by Gregg Bissonete in his videos. Second method is that you have your fulcrum point in between the two joints on the index finger and manipulate the stick with the fingers. This method is recommended by Terry Bozzio in his video. Third way of holding the stick is the one taught by Jim Chapin on Vic Firth site. It is the method for hard hitters (by the way I am pretty hard hitter myself too). He shows this method with no fulcrum between the thumb and the index finger at all. He just sort of grabs the stick with the last three fingers and pounds it. He said that this method is good for hard hitters because it dont wreck your hands from wrists up. Can somebody give me some hints or suggestions for the best way, because my wrist hurts sometimes and I think it is mainly because I try to keep the fulcrum to tight sometimes and  I am squezzing the stick to tightly, resulting in not beeing relaxed behind the set. Which method works the best.

Thanks                                               Matt Wink
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BBJones
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2003, 04:06 PM »

I would think the best grip will be the one that works best for you.  There, that help? Tongue

Seriously though, for me, I use all three that you mention plus others depending on what I am trying to do with my playing.  I'm sure other people here will have more detailed information on the benefits and drawbacks of each grip but you may want to just pick one and go with it until you get comfortable with it.  If you find you can't play what you want, try a different grip.  I would think being able to use different grips in different situations would be beneficial.

I personally have evolved to use the first joint of the index finger as my fulcrum.  If I can describe it in more detail...

Palms down, but not flat.  My hands are at about a 45 degree angle (if you laid a ruler across my knuckles, the outside edge of my hands would be down close to 45 degrees).
I point my index fingers out almost totally straight, then bend at the first knuckle to wrap around the stick.  My thumb is to the side of the stick (sometimes moves closer to being on top) to loosely hold the stick in place.  Takes a lot of practice to build up the thumb/hand muscles to have a firm but loose grip I found.
At times, my finger/thumb grip can be defined as my thumb actually touching the tip of my index finger (very loose fulcrum).

Hope that helps Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2003, 04:55 PM »

My index finger (first knuckle) and thumb are the fulcrum, fingers almost touching on the bottom side of stick.  I always maintain back-pressure using the 4th digit (first knuckle).
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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2003, 05:09 AM »

I know what you're talking about mattlapp. I'm also a hard-hitting drummer and sometimes try to squeeze the fulcrum too hard. I think what BBJones said was cool. A grip for each different style. A great way of strenghtening your fulcrum and fingers is to practice rudiments (slowly), cause you need to do those accents... A great way of strenghtening your wrists for power drumming is to do stick control or simply single strokes. It's also good to study on a pillow. It's hard! but it works!    
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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2003, 06:05 AM »

I use all 3 grips described, and proabably some others too!

It all depends on what I'm playing, how I'm playing it, and even how I physically feel when I'm playing it.

My sticks are constantly moving in my hands.  I don't really think about it, they just go where they are supposed to at any given time.

There is no 100% answer to your question.
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LeftHandFirst
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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2003, 08:21 AM »

Try playing with your palms facing toward each other with your thumb pointing up. It takes about a year to get used to holding your sticks this way, your wrist will never get tired again and the faster you play just relax more. I'm a deathmetal drummer always doing those endless blast/grinding beats doing triplets with one hand at 160 beats per min In my band while the ride cymbal hand does the same. As far a double time 16th note or triplet fills, no prob
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BBJones
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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2003, 11:35 AM »

Isn't that a French grip?

Many metal drummers do use that grip, and many others don't.  One thing with "thumb on top" is you lose a lot from your wrist's range of motion.

You may find you are able to control sustained faster beats with thumbs on top, but there are also other grips that are just as fast (with a lot of practice of course) that also do not restrict your range of motion with your wrist.

But again, knowing and learning them all is beneficial Smiley
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