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Author Topic: A quiet snare drum....impossible?  (Read 797 times)
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charbull
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« on: June 05, 2002, 12:03 PM »

Hello ya'll, I'm new to this here forum.  I tour full time and have been doing so for almost 3 years.  My inexperience with equipment may "shock" you, but hey, if I didn't ask questions, then I wouldn't have gotten anywhere in the first place, right?

I play a dw collectors snare drum.  It's 6 inch's deep.  It's loud as hell.  I have learned to play softer and atempting to have great feel while playing soft.  But I want the rim shot sound and no matter how lightly you play a rimshot on this baby, it cracks like thunder.  Which for a rock situation would be great.  I'm not in a rock situation, I need something much more quiet.

So my guess would be that it is the depth of the snare that is killing me....as well as the thickness, which is 10ply with 6ply reinforcement hoops.

Has anyone had a similar situation and does anyone have any suggestions for me to try?  I'm ready to buy a new snare drum for softer situations, so if you have ideas on types of snare drums that would be softer, let me know.

I have tried dampening the drum, which is fine, but I like the full rich tone of the drum to sing through in most cases.

Thanks for any help,
Charles
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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2002, 07:00 PM »

I know this sounds stupid- but to me, the "best" sounding rimshots are just sorta dropped/layed down by your fingers and then picked up again after the stick rebounds...so basically it's a weight of the stick/rim/head contact.  This technique sounds really round and full.  I'm a matched player so I would just keep the sticks in the first joint with that sorta stuff and let my fingers do the walking...l call it a "reduced" moeller. You would be surprised how hard it is to sound consistent with this technique.  I know you've done it...just do it more!  It's easier to do when you are just playing a back beat or whatever but tougher the faster you go/ more complicated stickings etc (duh).  

If you've done this like you said...wow, you must be in a really quiet situation.  Are you on the rest home circuit?  Oh, those people can't hear so then you wouldn't have this problem right?  LOL  I mean I've played brass drums in little places,...it's like, who cares?  If you like the drum then keep it...if you are indeed a pro why don't you have an endorsement and about 10 snares???
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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2002, 08:21 PM »

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I have learned to play softer and atempting to have great feel while playing soft.  But I want the rim shot sound and no matter how lightly you play a rimshot on this baby, it cracks like thunder.  Which for a rock situation would be great.  I'm not in a rock situation, I need something much more quiet.

When you say this, do you mean a "rim shot" like in marching band, or a "rim click" like in a country tune?  lol...two completely  different methods, just wanna clear that up.  

Actually, I think the best way to isolate all of your drum sounds is to get behind plexiglass, but make sure you have all your drums and cymbals miked properly, have a good sound man and most importantly (this ones for you Batrman!) WEAR EAR PROTECTION!!!   Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2002, 08:21 AM »

BanimalG:
Yes indeed we do use plexiglass and all the drums and cymbals are miked correctly, but I play in one of the most quiet stage shows out there....in ear monitors and the whole bit,  and even with plexiglass it's just my snare that is still too loud in certain venues (usually the acoustically enhanced symphonic style venues).  

Felix:
why don't I have an endorsement and 10 snares?  If only it was that simple, lol.  Thanks for the advice on the technique though, it has givin me some ideas to work on.
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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2002, 12:51 PM »

Yeah, I see where you're coming from charbull.  You're one of the lucky ones, to be able to play in the situation you are.  Maybe if you incorporate what felix had to contribute and what you already have, it'll work out for you.  Good luck!!   Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2002, 10:58 AM »

hey its a really simple idea, and if u dont like the ring in a snare its even better. but all u have to do is lay a t-shirt over the top of your snare and put a big rubber band around the hoop to make it stay on. you dont loose your snare sound it just quiets it down and takes the ring outta it.
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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2002, 11:03 AM »

True Nullify, but why make your snare look like crap when they make drumheads that have the same effect?  Didn't mean to sound like a "richard cranium" there.   Smiley
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