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« on: December 29, 2003, 07:58 PM » |
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I just downloaded the "Hi-hat technique" video of Buddy Rich, and the "Basic Paradiddle Groove" video of Steve Gadd.
Isnt it amazing how these two guys can drive their hands. Please listen carefully at those off-tempos by Gadd. I'm Amazed.
Anybody seen those?
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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2003, 04:23 AM » |
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when you post the link I will  |
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SabbiS
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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2003, 06:20 AM » |
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Bonzo, I watched those clips, and also the "tricky HH groove" by gadd, last week or somethin'. And it almost made me want to stop playing drums anymore  nah, but honestly I just don't get it! How the H**L is it played, heh If anyone looked deeper into this and has a word or two please let me know. |
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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2003, 06:27 AM » |
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kolp
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2003, 06:34 AM » |
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Bonzo, I watched those clips, and also the "tricky HH groove" by gadd, last week or somethin'. And it almost made me want to stop playing drums anymore nah, but honestly I just don't get it! How the H**L is it played, heh If anyone looked deeper into this and has a word or two please let me know. the clip is taken from the Steve Gadd video ( now dvd ) called Up Close , and if you really want to go deeper you have the book calle Up Close too with a transcription of all he play on this video , in fact in the section you saw it's "just" paraddidle variations between hi hat and snare But with talent  with the transcription that not seem so hard to do if you have at least a medium level but.... that don't sound like when He play that  |
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SabbiS
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2003, 06:46 AM » |
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hmmm that sounds interesting,
gotta check out that video and maybe the book also,
thx kolp!
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Aim
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2003, 01:00 PM » |
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How do you play that? It's a special technique called Muthaf***er.  |
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ayottedrums
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2003, 02:48 PM » |
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Well, I think the vets here...James Walker, felix, louis, bart, etc.., will tell you that it isnt hard, its about practicing it a lot.
I've been practicing it a few days now, and I got it done sometimes (I try doing it while I played "The Crunge" by LZ). Its hard?? yes, but not so impossible. It matter of time and practice.
Gadd's hi-hat technique is for me, the easiest of both videos, because it an accompanion to a basic groove.
One other thing that people here should hear is Soundgarden's Bleed Together, which is very simple when it comes to drums, but there is one part were Cameron does a very fast trick with the ride cymbal, which i suppose he played with one hand.
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2003, 05:40 PM » |
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Steve's paradiddle groove was covered a while back, and it isn't hard as it is creative. Someone—I forget who—pointed out the sticking between hi-hat and snare as R L R R L L R (another R?) L, or as such:
H: O O O O (O?)
S: O O O O
Of course, Mr. Gadd is a master at blending sounds such as a ghosted snare drum and a shanked hat cymbal, and such technique makes it a thousand times better.
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I'm not a particularly slow player, yet I don't play fast. I play half-fast.
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2003, 07:06 PM » |
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I've worked on a fair amount of that Gadd stuff in the past. As you pointed out, one of the main tricks is the blending of textures, which is aided in part by the way Steve tunes his snare, IMO (not in the case of the crosstick groove, of course). It's fun sometimes to tune the snare up that way (even the toms) and just sit back and try to imitate his style a little bit. I've found that one of things that I note when I watch him is how expressive his body is when he's playing. None of that "sit back and relax a la Max" for Steve. He get's right into it like he is dancing - which I find helps me play those kinds of grooves as well.
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« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2003, 07:13 AM » |
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Steve's paradiddle groove was covered a while back, and it isn't hard as it is creative. Someone—I forget who—pointed out the sticking between hi-hat and snare as R L R R L L R (another R?) L, or as such:
H: O O O O (O?)
S: O O O O
Yea, we did discuss this a while back. The version I use most often is RLRR LRRL RLRR LRRL where the lefts being played on the snare are all "ghosted" except the ones that occurs on 2 and 4 (I've bolded it in the example). This results in a very nice groove and "cleans up" the snare part of the pattern. BigBill |
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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2004, 10:23 PM » |
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How do you play that? It's a special technique called Muthaf***er. LOL!!!! |
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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2004, 05:48 PM » |
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When you practice that stuff, pay very close attention to the dynamics by which Gadd plays his tricky stuff. Garibaldi goes to great length in his first book to denote the stickings of making things like that groove, and it is tantamount to understanding Gadd. Even his bass drum parts have varied dynamics. I've heard a lot of guys cop Gadd's stuff, but they play all the diddles with the same dynamics as the accents, so there's no groove and it sounds really cluttered.
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