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« on: January 18, 2004, 10:50 AM » |
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Thanks Drummermom & BBJones (and all of you, too!)for the support and tips. Here is a small glimpse of what I have grasped in the past couple of weeks. http://www.gourmetfortheday.com/doubles.avi |
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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2004, 12:12 PM » |
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Nice work, Spark  Good quality vid with sound too. I've got way too much to do already (and don't get half the things done that I want to) but do you mind if I put your video up on a webpage about double bass technique? If you're interested, I could also use some very detailed explanations about the technique and any variations you can think of that can go along with your video or images. There are plenty of things out there for double bass and single pedal stuff, but I want a complete and thorough page put together for extreme double bass stuff. Intersted? Anyone else? |
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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2004, 01:19 PM » |
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Do I get credit (name, etc.?)
That would be swell..
Thanks
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2004, 01:29 PM » |
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My Tips:
I prefer playing further back on the pedals. My heels are basically on the floor behind the pedals.
I also wear shoes.
I come down with the leg, with my foot flat, causing hit #1. Then I just pop my knee up, thus forcing the toe down, resulting in hit # 2.
I find it's easier to do the rolls, versus single kick applications, and this is how I learned to do it:
Start playing double bass 16ths @ 100 bpm, or just something really slow.
Then, try and make each hit bounce. Let it be sloppy, but just get a bounce.
Then, think about contolling the bounce, hence, one beat with the whole leg coming down, another beat when you pop your knee up.
I get plenty of volume. It's totally adjustable, it's a matter of how much force is used, how much you lean into it.
I set up my pedals with the beaters a little closer to the head than one usually would. This make the toe hit just "happen" and not rely on pure strength.
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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2004, 04:07 PM » |
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I would like to put your information on my site to.
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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2004, 04:36 PM » |
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check this site out: Heel-toe-video |
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2004, 04:40 PM » |
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Nubert Thump,
I've seen that one. Thanks for posting it. I have also seen Rick's new video also heel/toe. Outstanding!
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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2004, 10:47 PM » |
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After watching both videos I have come to the conclusion that I suck.... |
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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2004, 12:32 PM » |
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Please feel free to use my vid and tips, just with credit given. I'll send you my neam and contact info if need be.
BTW...I made it into the band. It will be "official" once I learn the rest of the songs, or, at least enough to play a gig. Right now, I only know 3 of the 10. They still have gigs lined up like every other week or so, and I don't think I will have 7 songs down in the next 10 days....
P.S. You don't suck, just try it...it's easy.
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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2004, 02:05 PM » |
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Speaking of Heel-Toe technique, has anyone ever tried the VRUK pedal attachment designed for this technique? VRUK web site |
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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2004, 02:18 PM » |
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I was interested int this thing a little while back, but it was another $180+ on top of the cost pedals...I think much can be achieved with alternate means, such as added technique, not added tools.
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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2004, 05:02 PM » |
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That's the first time I've seen or heard about that thing (VRUK, thanks for the link) but from what I can tell, everything they are talking about can be achieved with any set of long board pedals. Although I'm sure their attachment would have it's own possibilities due to the added leverage/hinge components. They did get some pretty "worthy" endorsements though... With Axis long boards, I get my entire foot on the foot board. I can do pure heel strokes (toes in the air) to all sorts of rocking and heel/toe combination movements. Not to mention the relatively vast amount of leverage I have to choose from as compared to other pedals. I get at least a 50 bpm difference (single stroke roll) depending on where I put my foot without changing my technique at all. This allows for tons of minute speed and control adjustments... yeah I'll stop now (Buy Axis...)  Ok, yeah it would be nice if I had the extra cash to try all these things out, like the Duallist as well. Stuff looks cool online, but it really needs to be tried by someone you know! |
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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2004, 07:17 AM » |
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That's the first time I've seen or heard about that thing (VRUK, thanks for the link) but from what I can tell, everything they are talking about can be achieved with any set of long board pedals. Although I'm sure their attachment would have it's own possibilities due to the added leverage/hinge components. They did get some pretty "worthy" endorsements though... With Axis long boards, I get my entire foot on the foot board. I can do pure heel strokes (toes in the air) to all sorts of rocking and heel/toe combination movements. Not to mention the relatively vast amount of leverage I have to choose from as compared to other pedals. I get at least a 50 bpm difference (single stroke roll) depending on where I put my foot without changing my technique at all. This allows for tons of minute speed and control adjustments... yeah I'll stop now (Buy Axis...) Ok, yeah it would be nice if I had the extra cash to try all these things out, like the Duallist as well. Stuff looks cool online, but it really needs to be tried by someone you know! BBJones, I agree with what you say here, but I was just curious if anyone here actually tried this VRUK gadget. I agree that if I had an Axis longboard pedal I doubt I would need one, but as I am trying to master the heel-toe method using a DW 5000 pedal(strap not chain--no baseboard) I find the idea interesting. I am making progress practicing this technique but I can see that having this added leverage could be helpful for us who are using pedals that have a shorter footboard. The Axis pedal is not cheap so that is why I was wondering about this thing. BTW, Tim Waterson used this VRUK on Axis longboard pedals when setting his BD speed records. While I am not looking to set any records I would like to be able to easily play BD double-strokes. Well, for now I'll just keep practicing.  |
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« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2004, 07:43 AM » |
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Nupert Thump, BTW, Tim Waterson used this VRUK on Axis longboard pedals when setting his BD speed records. While I am not looking to set any records I would like to be able to easily play BD double-strokes. Tim only used the Vruk attachment to set arecord using a single pedal. " This is just for the fun,it is not me trying to make a speed record. I am going to be using amazing Vruk attachment which will enable me to do this challenge STANDING UP. On the first stroke of the bass drum DRUMOMETER started counting. When the minute was up Jotan Afanador World's fastest hand player announced: " 650 , NEW WORLD RECORD. The crowd applauded absolutely amazed by the skill of this unbelievable Artist. http://www.vrukpedal.com/namm.htmlMr. Vruk congratulated to Tim " When I invented Vruk I never thought somebody would play it with such a speed , simply AMAZING" |
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« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2004, 08:21 AM » |
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Hmmmm....from that web site: "Tim had Vruk pedals for only 4 weeks prior the Show but in such a short time he come up with some incredible Vruk techniques. " super fast triple" , "crazy two bass drums shuffle" , lightning fast roaring double strokes, Tim performance was simply " not human". "Right foot is with Vruk and left one is without. Tim was demonstrating the difference between them. Tim explains the difference: " Watch how far the right beater goes back. Vruk doesn't choke it. Vruk plate is off the footboard line so when I strike it the weight of my heel is not on the footboard - so the beater just bounces back. . Watch my left foot where I play the same heel - toe motion. Because it is solid plate the weight of my heel stroke remains on the footboard and chokes the beater.The difference in speed and especially power is just enormous "." Boy I'd sure like to hear from someone who has tried this--one of us here at DC not some speed champ. Does sound interesting though.  |
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« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2004, 09:26 AM » |
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Nupert Thump,
I'm not trying to argue with you.
You stated in this thread that Tim used the Vruk attachment on Axis longboard pedals when setting his BD speed records.
The point I'm making here is he has set several records. But only one using the vruk.
1,030 for singles using a double pedal
1,407 for doubles using a double pedal
650 using the vruk on a single pedal
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« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2004, 09:44 AM » |
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Nupert Thump,
I'm not trying to argue with you.
You stated in this thread that Tim used the Vruk attachment on Axis longboard pedals when setting his BD speed records.
The point I'm making here is he has set several records. But only one using the vruk.
1,030 for singles using a double pedal
1,407 for doubles using a double pedal
650 using the vruk on a single pedal
Maybe I'm not making myself clear--I'm not interested if this works for speed competitors(I don't care which category the vruk was used) but how or if it has helped any of us ordinary music playing drummers. |
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« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2004, 11:23 AM » |
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I understood what you were asking. My answer to your question is I don't know and I personally wouldn't spend the money on it.
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« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2004, 11:48 AM » |
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Hey Thump, that really was my point With a longboard pedal you should be able to do most if not all of what VRUK claims. But I'm with you man, I really want to get my hands on them or hear from someone I know that has tried them. I simply don't buy what the "pros" say. Like I said, if I had the extra cash, I'd buy all those fancy gadgets and see for myself. Oops, I'd also need the extra time too  Anyways, thanks for the link and I hope someone here gets inspired and buys them to tell us what it's like |
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« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2004, 05:18 PM » |
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What is cool is every week that goes by with practice you can play longer and longer and longer. Sparkitus that is exactly the way I learned double bass. Some how some way it came easy to me.
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