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« on: January 27, 2004, 07:00 AM »

Lately I have been liking the sound of after hitting my crash's to grab them right after with my hand for the purpose of muteing them quickly.I especially like doing this for parts of the song where I want or need to hit the crash 4-5 times in a row.Anyone else like to do this and have you gotten this down to the point where you can play a fill hit the cymbal and mute it like a split second after while going right back into the fill or beat?
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« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2004, 07:03 AM »

That is called "Choking" the cymbal.

Not called for in most of what I'm playing right now.
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2004, 08:02 AM »

I choke my cymbals fairly often, especially the splash.  I get fastest results choking with the hand that didn't hit the cymbal.  I'm considerably less adept at striking anc choking with the same hand, but I'm working on it.
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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2004, 09:01 AM »

Yeah I've always wondered how you could choke a cymbal with one hand as fast as with two. I hit the cymbal, it goes down and when it "bounces" back up I grab it. This way I can never really choke that fast with one hand.
Are there any techniques for this stuff that anyone knows of?
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2004, 09:10 AM »

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Are there any techniques for this stuff that anyone knows of?

I don't want to sound like a jerk or anything, but....

Sometimes I think people make WAY too much of things.

Just hit it, and then choke it.

Not every little nuance and muscle twitch can be (or maybe even should be) graphed out and filmed and put on DVD for us all to run out and buy because we think that it will make us so much better as players and musicians.

I know this sounds like being a real @$$, but sometimes too much is too much for ME.

Thanks for letting me rant a bit.

Continue on with your day.
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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2004, 09:19 AM »

right, and practice choking with one hand (like you don't already)

Usually I don't choke splashes and when I do I regret it it seems.  They speak fast enough as it is IMO.
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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2004, 09:23 AM »

Just be careful. I love choking cymbals, either one-handed or with the opposite hand, but either way, you run the risk of catching a cymbal edge under the thumbnail.

OUCH.

I've done that a bunch. So make sure you look carefully, otherwise you'll get a lovely bloodblister, or even an open gash.

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« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2004, 12:00 PM »

it's easy enough to choke the crash without using your hand.  keep pushing when you hit it, your stick will mute it enough.  it takes a while to get used to, but it's easy enough to just stop it with the stick that hit it.
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« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2004, 12:07 PM »

it's easy enough to choke the crash without using your hand.  keep pushing when you hit it, your stick will mute it enough.  it takes a while to get used to, but it's easy enough to just stop it with the stick that hit it.

I've done this before—I think it's a safe assumption to qualify this as its own sound rather than that of a traditional choke.

It's also something I'm mildly afraid of, since placing such force with the stick in order to get a rather alternative sound is bound to lead towards undue stress on the cymbal.
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« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2004, 12:08 PM »

it's easy enough to choke the crash without using your hand.  keep pushing when you hit it, your stick will mute it enough.  it takes a while to get used to, but it's easy enough to just stop it with the stick that hit it.

Um, no.

A) That puts a lot of pressure on the cymbal, particularly around the hole, which could cause damage.

B) It's not at all the same sound.

If it works for you, okay, but I don't think that's a great approach, and you're young enough that you may still have time to learn a new one.  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2004, 12:17 PM »

I've also heard this technique called 'hushing' the cymbal. This term seems to be used mainly by friends from Texas, Alabama, Mississippi and other points south. Is this a cultural thing? Kind of like Hush Puppies except with brass? I'm in Oregon, so I don't know. Side note: Hush Puppies with a little red-eyed gravy are fantastic! And yes, I know what's in red-eyed gravy.

Yep--I've noticed myself using it at the end of a song when it ends real fast. The bass player calls it my Jefferson Starship ending. When you cover ZZ Top's La Grange, there's a set of stops out of the solo(s) that come back to the head that are best hushed.

I've caught some nice bruises on my hand from trying to crash/choke with one hand. I've also knocked the stick out of my hand trying to make it a one-handed move. That's not so much of a problem as I have a bunch more in the stick bag. The bass player who usually stands next to that cymbal hates to have Gadd Signature Series sticks coming his way, though.
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« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2004, 12:19 PM »

The bass player who usually stands next to that cymbal hates to have Gadd Signature Series sticks coming his way, though.

Remind him that he has it good—you could be an SD11 user. Wink
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« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2004, 12:26 PM »

Hehehe!

He know's he has it good with me as his drummer! Roll Eyes
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« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2004, 11:25 AM »

You may need to choke the crash cymbal while continuing to play with your left hand.  This technique may be a little hard to understand and it is a lot easier and quicker to do than explain how it is done.  After you crash, pinch the stick with your pinkie and then move your index finger over on top of the stick.  This allows you to hold the stick between your palm and the last 3 fingers and frees up the thumb and index finger to choke the cymbal.  
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« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2004, 10:49 AM »

Um, no.

If it works for you, okay, but I don't think that's a great approach, and you're young enough that you may still have time to learn a new one.  Roll Eyes
don't look at me in that tone of voice!   Grin

just so you know, i don't do this often, because i don't crash often enough to need to mute anything.  when i do it i'm usually going for this exact sound.  from my description you can't tell, but when done correctly it does not put excessive stress on the cymbal.
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