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Author Topic: Tell Me Why I Should Still Use "Traditional Grip"???  (Read 1423 times)
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« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2004, 09:41 AM »

In answer to Jon E, just to be clear, I was saying it's easier to control the grace notes (for me) with the left hand traditional grip.  That is, when playing traditional grip, my left hand grace notes are more controlled than my right.

If I were to "practice more matched grip" as Jon E. suggested, I doubt very seriously my left hand would surpass what my right hand has already accomplished.

See what I'm saying? - It's sort of confusing.  After many years of practicing many rudiments, etc., my left hand (my weaker hand) could place small tiny notes more accurately than my right hand.  "practicing my matched grip" would not fix that problem for my left - since it obviously hasn't fixed it for my right.

It could be that I just have oddball hands, but I know for me, I can control grace notes better with my left.  This is under extreme scrutiny circumstances - playing on a cranked Kevlar head.

I'm talking about minor differences that on a drumset would be completely negligible - nobody would play such tight flams anyway on drumset - I know I don't.

P.S. Although Rick Beckham is a totall badass for which I have a ton of respect, there are probably 50 traditional grip snare drummers to every 1 matched grip snare drummer, many of which made a much bigger stamp in the rudimental world than Rick.  I'm not saying either grip is superior, that's just how it is.

After finishing corps, I was convinced I'd switch to matched grip for good - it just made way more sense, right?  It's sort of like doing anything else just because it "feels good".  Owning a car that can drive way over the speed limit has no practical value, but people (not me) are into that because they like it.

I kid you not - there have been times where I decided matched was the only way to go, then I'll see a clip of Vinnie playing, and forget it man - back to traditional grip for me.

Or go see a top DCI drumline playing traditional grip - it will hit you the same way.

I also should add - there is something magical about seeing someone play traditional grip.  I'm not talking about a matched player sort of getting by doing it - I'm talking about seeing a traditional grip left hand in TOTAL CONTROL.  You know when you see that the guy has put some effort into his drumming.  You just know it.  Come on guys, admit it  Wink

The frustrating part is going to a Rush concert or watching Carter Beauford and seeing how cool matched can be.  Oh, the indecision  Huh
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« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2004, 10:24 AM »

The frustrating part is going to a Rush concert or watching Carter Beauford and seeing how cool matched can be.  Oh, the indecision  Huh

Does Neil Peart play matched again predominantly?

Around 1993 (the year of Rush's "Counterparts" album), Neil Peart put out a video called "A Work In Progress" which talked about his delving into traditional grip with a guy he took lessons from during that time.

I think you can hear the influence of the traditional grip on Peart's playing on "Counterparts", just in the way he executed ghost notes and the like, compared to previous albums.

In the time since then, my guess would be that he switches back and forth between matched and traditional, depending on what he's doing.  That would seem to jibe with the consensus of fellow Cafe-ers.

Has anyone seen Peart recently, to know?
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« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2004, 10:29 AM »

Has anyone seen Peart recently, to know?

I saw him back in September and he was playing matched the entire show if I recall correctly.
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« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2004, 10:54 AM »

Does Neil Peart play matched again predominantly?

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Has anyone seen Peart recently, to know?

I recently watched the Rush in Rio DVD.  If you are any type of Rush fan (or not) you need to see this.  Fantastic DVD, excellent sound and yet again another great drum solo.  Amazing crowd!

Neil did play almost the entire show matched.  The only time I noticed him switch to trad grip was for very short periods where he would be focusing on more subtle snare work, then right back to matched.

And I also agree with the line of thought that if trad grip was superior, wouldn't drummers play that way with both hands?  But then, if you're supposed to tilt your snare away from the hand how can you do that when both hands use the same grip? Tongue
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« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2004, 11:11 AM »

Neil's drumming video came out after the realease of Test For Echo (not counterparts).  He says he recorded that entire CD with traditional grip.

When I saw Rush on the Test for Echo Tour, he was playing mostly matched grip - with some traditional on the Test For Echo songs.

On the Vapor Trails tour, he was playing even less traditional grip.

To me - seeing Neil play matched grip is as satisfying as seeing Vinnie Colaiuta play traditional grip.
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« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2004, 11:31 AM »

or watching Carter Beauford and seeing how cool matched can be.  
True, and Carter makes up for it by playing left-hand-lead.  I think that looks pretty cool too.  Smiley
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« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2004, 11:41 AM »

I'm with you James.

Like I said, I wasn't trying to be mean or demeaning with my comments.

there are plenty of instances wher I prefer, and am more competent Trad grip, so I use it.

In a perfect world (or a world where I practice--LOL!!) maybe I could do everything equally well with either grip.

I was orgianlly taught Trad.  Started playing matched in HS.  I still go back and forth dependent on what I need to get the music to sound right.
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« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2004, 11:55 AM »

Interesting thread. I have always focused on how a drummer plays, not how he/she holds their sticks. I would think that nowdays you play whichever is more comfortable for you. Over the years I have seen many drummers play with both traditional and matched grips. I've seen players sit high on their thrones and others sit low.  I've read here how matched grip players sometimes play traditional.  I've seen video clips of Joe Morello and Louie Bellson (traditional grip players) using matched grip during parts of a solo. I fail to see what fuss is all about. I've taken lessons from several teachers that use traditional grip and they never even hinted that they thought I should consider trying to switch(I play matched). But I have tried playing both ways.

What I do find interesting is that as I play more and more, practice and try to improve my playing I do find that my grip, the way I am holding my sticks gets more and more refinded. I don't know how to explain it better, I'm not more conscious of my grip while playing but I do sense that the particular way I hold my sticks, as my skills improve, is changing. In a way it seems that the practice is just refining my grip and as my grip improves so does my playing.

Anyone have a similar experience?
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« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2004, 12:13 PM »

the one thing I have noted about my grip is that my stick control works over a wider range of grip.  For example, I like to hop on the set in my practice room and just solo, sometimes without stopping for half hour.  But then I'll look down at my sticks and see that I'm gripping at the very ends.  I'm not prone to dropping my sticks but sometimes it sure looks close.   Shocked
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« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2004, 06:19 AM »

i dont like traditional so i play matched...simple as that
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« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2004, 03:39 PM »

Papa Jo Jones played traditional and matched. who am i to argue?
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« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2004, 03:54 PM »

Papa Jo Jones played traditional and matched. who am i to argue?

Well, this is really no surprise as I can't name a single traditional grip player in the history of drumset who hasn't used matched grip.  If you ever watch footage of any of the great jazz drummers, you'll see them using matched grip in a number of different situations.  For example, to play a cross-stick (or latin rimshots) on the snare, there is no way to apply traditional grip.  Then, if a player is coming off of that to play a fill, hit a tom, or a cymbal, he/she would not ALWAYS have time to switch back to trad grip.  Watch Buddy, Louie, Sonny ,etc. at the end of a song with their big bands--they would always switch to matched grip to play the cymbal swells and to roll on the floor toms.  Even early drumset players like Chick Webb, who played mounted cowbells and temple blocks, used matched grip to accomodate their position (I've seen pictures).  

What I'm getting at, is in many cases, you'd see players who were great at both grips but they had to be because they HAD to use both grips seeing as that they were predominantly trad grip players.  If one is predominantly a matched grip player, he/she DOESN'T have to use both grips.  One can simply use matched grip for everything.    
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