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« on: February 13, 2004, 03:40 PM »

So ... we talked about programmed rhythmic music, electronic rhythms etc.   Why not investigate the flip side of that coin.   Music that is loop/electronically based, or in a genre that is typically defined by its electronic creation, but has live drums.   Not just when they are playing live, but in the creation of the music.

I was listening to band called Snowpony (drummer Max Corradi) when I thought of this.   They are essentially electropop.   The live drumming often has a very programmed feel.  Not in that its static, but in the composition.

The same goes for two other groups, though even moreso Id say.   Laika (drummer Lou Ciccotelli) and Pram (drummer Matt Eaton).   Whose angularity is very remiscent of acts like Aphex Twin, but balance that with vocals and atmospherics that are more akin to arty pop music.

Laika drummer Ciccotelli also has another project called Eardrum with drummer/percussionist Richard Olatunde Baker as well.   This can actually be considered straight up electronica for electronica fans.  Though most of thier work is centered around live percussion performance, not just samples.




[size=-2]*The title is not to imply that electronic music needs redeeming or that adding live instruments inherently adds to the music.   Its just a bit of fun to pair it with the other similarly named thread.[/size]
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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2004, 04:10 PM »

well, there's always Tabla Beat Science.   Cool  tablas meet that high drum 'n bass pop of a 14x3.5 snare.

but I'll take the more accessible low road, and say that I've been digging that Portishead sound.  jazzy bebop drum kit tones riding atop DJ samples.

or heck, why not some Beasties???  most of Ill Communication was built on their own tracking of trashy drum tracks.

then there's my all time fav with the Roots.  they just sample themselves.   Tongue
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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2004, 06:12 AM »

I wouldn't class Portishead as 'electronica'. The line up is the standard, guitar, bass and drums. Yes there are some loops and a DJ scratching (uurgh...like nearly every band these days!), but nothing in the vain of 563's description.
In fact I can't think of any current bands. Probably because the essence of 'electronica' is the programmed or sampled beat. Therefore, drums are the first thing to go.
In the 80's I played on quite a few records that were all programmed apart from drums and rhythm guitar.
In fact...thinking about it....a lot of Trevor Horns productions had a similar make up (Grace Jones, Seal etc..)
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2004, 12:14 PM »

I'll repeat my affection for Electric Skychurch. Definately techno with a world rhythm bent. The album Together was a hit after people saw their live shows at a handful of LA raves in the mid-90s. I never did find out who their drummers were, but at one point, they ALL came out and played percussion instruments. Very cool stuff, and there's a samba on there I loved to practice to.
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2004, 02:00 PM »

I actually would count Portishead among the redeemers Smiley

They are very much an act that performs what is essentially electronic music, one of the defining bands of "trip-hop".  

And Id hesitate to diminish the importance of the DJ in thier lineup as he is essentially the guy that writes the music.    In fact, he even went so far (once they had made enough to do so) as to write music, have it recorded and pressed to vinyl so he could use music of his own creation instead of other peoples.

I certainly wouldnt call them "standard, guitar, bass and drums".   Those instruments, and other common ones, are the primary sound sources, but its all sampled and programmed.
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2004, 04:23 PM »

I might throw Stereolab and Japancakes in this arena too.
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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2004, 04:24 AM »

UNKLE's Psyence Fiction (1997) used electronic drumkits that were played in a very organic style. Brilliant, underrated album.
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2004, 06:18 AM »

Again, I can't recall any electronic drum kits on the Unkle albums. It's all cut and pasted, sampled and scratched drums from previously released records. Most sounded acoustic to me.
The main guy doing it all is a DJ after all.
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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2004, 02:01 PM »

Don't know if you've heard of them, but Sound Tribe Sector Nine is a band I would say fits this category. Live drums, dance beats, breakbeats, and a little jazz influence thrown in... I'm not a huge fan, but I'll put them in on occasion.
Also check out The New Deal (very electronic sounding drummer, he doesn't even have any toms... if I remember correctly) or the OM Trio.

You can download many live shows of all three of these bands at the Live Music Archive
http://www.archive.org/audio/etreelisting-browse.php?collection=etree
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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2004, 07:07 PM »

Again, I can't recall any electronic drum kits on the Unkle albums. It's all cut and pasted, sampled and scratched drums from previously released records. Most sounded acoustic to me.
The main guy doing it all is a DJ after all.

That may be the case with other UNKLE albums, but it isn't the case with Psyence Fiction. If you listen to it, it becomes clear why they took 3 years to make it. Listen to a track like Lonely Soul (a collaboration with ex frontman of The Verve, Richards Ashcroft), Bloodstain or Drums of Death Part 1. Those tracks definitely have live drumming.
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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2004, 11:49 PM »

love Rich's new solo stuff.  big fan.   Cool
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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2004, 10:16 PM »

I used to play in a band that had a guy playing kit, and another playing conga for percussion.
I thought it sounded great, but then one of the guys had a friend who played an electronic drum thing and the real drums were replaced with the fake. The excellent percussionist tossed on his ear while a guy who knew next to nothing about percussion messes around with his toy. To me, they lost what I thought was one of their main assets. Soon thereafter they lost their female vocalist, the sax player, and myself.

They're still playing together as a foursome Frankensteining together some really amazing electronica stuff that sounds like a friken nightmare.

Not the kind of stuff that puts a smile on one's face; more like music to kill your neighbor by, or get everyone in the room nervous.
I just don't get it..

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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2004, 03:17 AM »

That may be the case with other UNKLE albums, but it isn't the case with Psyence Fiction. If you listen to it, it becomes clear why they took 3 years to make it.  Those tracks definitely have live drumming.
Oh, OK. You said electronic drum kits in your original post. BTW, I'm not sure why using real drums would result in the album taking 3 years to make.
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