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« on: February 25, 2004, 02:41 PM » |
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Hi, Im desparatly trying to figure this tune out, but to no avail. Ive only playing about 10 months so its probably a bit outta my depth, but i think its good to strive to better things and also that beat is so @$%# funky if i could even nail half a bar or a full bar im sure it would inspire me to stick at it. However, i cant even figure out whats goin on there so if anyone could offer any help id greatly appreciate it, i can lock into the snare on 2 and 4 +, but asides rfom that im lost !! So, like i say if you can offer any advice please do, also i cant seem to find any meters drum transcriptions on the net anywhere !! I love zigs drumming , so @$%# funky you cant help but wanna dance to it  cheers ben |
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« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2004, 02:56 PM » |
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This is an amazing groove, and a great example of linear drumming. It's pretty tricky stuff for an inexperienced drummer, but if you know how to read you can probably figure it out. Zigaboo varies the groove, so it's not quite the same every time. But the hihat is usually on the e & of 1, the ah of 2, and the & of 3. For grooves like this, I usually draw four sets of four 16th notes, with no heads on the notes - just stems. Then I gradually figure out which drum or cymbal (if any) is being hit on each of these notes. If you listen closely, you'll hear repeated patterns on the bass drum, and slowly you can fill in the notes. It's great exercise learning to transcribe, and FAR more helpful than simply looking for pre-written transcriptions. But if this is new to you, start out with easier beats first. This is some very hip stuff - I'm glad you're listening to it, but make sure you can walk as well as you run! For those not familiar, you can hear a clip of Cissy Strut on my licks from hell page: http://www.keithcronin.com/fromhell.html |
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« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2004, 03:14 PM » |
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Hi, thanks for the response man , yeah i figured it was linear , like steve gadd 50 ways , thats when you never hit two things at once right ?? I found a post on the funky meters msg board where some guy had transcibed the first few bars, but inevitably the links dead now, so ive emailed him and hopefully he can help out I have no real problems reading charts and transcriptions, i only been playing drums for less than a year but have played guitar for about 10 years and have grade 5 music theory its an english london college of music qualification / certificate but it only goes to 8 so im pretty clued up on note values / time sigs etc, its more of a mattter of training my limbs to do what i want than starting to read from scratch lol. Ill give what you said a try tommorow, its lateish here now and im not sure if the guy next door would appreciate a very bad attempt at the beat lol. By the way great site you got there arcolite , very nice indeed cheers ben |
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« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2004, 08:15 PM » |
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A helpful start for all of Zig's stuff might be to do a back history search on New Orleans drumming, specifically the two-line street march stuff and organ trios from the 50s and 60s. You'll discover James Brown's drummers didn't pull their stuff outta thin air. They had inspiration, too, and about 50 years of history for that kind of playing.
For a current drummer playing stuff like that, check out Stanton Moore and his predecessor, Johnny Vidacovich. Or Idris Muhammad, who's definately got the organ trio traditional stuff down.
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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2004, 10:08 PM » |
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Mr. A..... Your Drums of Doom page is awesome !!! I couldn't find Cissy Strut on there - maybe I missed it - but I'll try again. The Tears for Fears tune is actually a groove I've been working on. I haven't been able to make the off-beat hi-hat pattern feel good yet so I've been playing them as straight triplets while accenting the off-beats (if that makes sense). DC |
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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2004, 06:52 AM » |
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Mr. A.....
Your Drums of Doom page is awesome !!!
I couldn't find Cissy Strut on there - maybe I missed it - but I'll try again. Thanks! Look on the page I originally linked: the " drum licks from hell" page, not the " drum grooves of doom" page (although it probably belongs on the latter). |
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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2004, 08:00 PM » |
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Hi, cheers fellas, i got an email back from the guy who had the site with the transcription on and it looks pretty good, im actually not finding it too difficult to play, obviously it needs work but ive got it sounding passable , enough so when my friend came over today whos also a meters fan and i showed him he was like "yeah i can see where your goin with it " lol if anyone wants a copy of the score he sent feel free to drop me a message and i can email it to ya's ben |
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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2004, 09:02 PM » |
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the Cissy Strut is a classic example of cajun/New Orleans drumming. The key to nailing this groove is not so much in the notes that are played, but in the feel.. the 16th notes need to be swung (dotted sixteenth/thirty-second notes). Reminiscent of a hip-hop double- time shuffle.
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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2004, 05:53 PM » |
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I had to play that one in a band, once upon a time. The guy who brought it in told me it would probably be a pain in the A for me to play. He was right.
If you're going to do it "like the record", you and the bass player will have to play the parts perfectly. Less than perfect won't even work.
I have heard bands do a modified version of it, presumably to make life easier on the drummer.
Anyway, it's not your inexperience. That particular groove is a b--tch to nail.
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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2004, 06:30 AM » |
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If you dont know the notation Modern Drummer had it transcribed.
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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2004, 02:12 PM » |
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First time I've seen Johnny Vidacovich's name mentioned in quite a while. Saw him recently at "Snug Harbor" in New Orleans with a jazz quartet "Astral Project". Seriously good player. Seriously good band.
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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2004, 05:28 AM » |
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Mr. A.....
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