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I am just curious if anyone has ever gone through these? I used to have horrible anxiety up until last year.I was at the point that I couldn't even leave my house to go around the corner for a coffee or anything without really going " nutty ".I even quit the band the day of the show because I was so nervous.But I did the show and all went fine.For me I found the best way to over come it all was to just get out.What finally got me out was a date.I went and never felt better.And since then all has been great.Here and there I get a little anxious but I just don't let it get to me.Anyone else ever go through these horrible times?? And if so what did you do to over come it?
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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2004, 04:29 AM » |
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well, I'm going through it at the moment (togheter with a little bit of hyperventilation)  . I think the only way to get over it is to just go out and do things. Confront your fears. Yes it's pretty hard, but it's the only way...... From what I've heard and read, the best way to overcome this kind of stuff is to think of the thing your affraid of and keep thinking about it until the fear decreases. It may sound weird but it works. For instance, if your scared about passing out in public, think it over in your head a million times, first you will be scared stiff, but after a while the fear will decrease, and it will become easier for you to cope with, atleast that is the theory. anyway it sucks really bad, and I'm getting sick and tired of it, hopefully it will pass soon, or atleast become a little bit better.....
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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2004, 04:47 AM » |
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Well you are absolutely right.Get out and get over it is the basic attitude one must have.Before I realized that,I was on pills and all,but it didn't make anything better.And when all this was going on is when I thought weed would help.What a mistaken idea that was.Its rough and it will pass soon.You already have the upper advantage of knowing what to do to beat this stuff.Only thing left to do is beat it.Hope all goes well.
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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2004, 04:51 AM » |
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I have had trouble with "performance anxiety", which can be as mild as the normal stage fright to a completely dibilitating problem for a performer.
The book "The Inner Game of Music", based on the concepts of "The Inner Game of Tennis" really helped me.
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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2004, 08:15 AM » |
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One word to fight anxiety: YOGA !
Learn to breathe, and to relax. Everyone can do it IMHO.
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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2004, 08:27 AM » |
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@$%#, archy! you got migraines, you got anxiety... you're falling apart on us!!  i get performance anxiety, but rarely general anxiety, unless i'm under deep stress. but i had a girlfriend who had severe anxiety attacks, and it was definitely intense. she actually had one on a plane, and went buhzeeto, to the point where they had to stop the plane on the runway and let her off. it's gotta be difficult, but anything you can do to calm yourself down [try aromatherapy lately? it works! lavendar is great for calming benefits]. there are meds for it, too, but i'd try less drastic measures first. good luck. and b-r-e-a-t-h-e!!! 
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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2004, 09:44 AM » |
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I had a nasty bout of panic attacks several years ago. I remember having to leave my office and go into the bathroom. I vividly remember thinking I was going insane as I looked at the patterns of the floor in the bathroom. No, it wasn't funny and no, I wasn't on drugs. The attacks were totally debilitating - heart pounding, feeling overwhelmed. I never had any idea what people were talking about when they talked "panic attacks". Now I do. I wound up on medication for them, I couldn't control them myself.
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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2004, 10:50 AM » |
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well, I don't really want to use medication, hopefully I can get over it myself, but if nothing else works, I guess I'll have to take medicines.....
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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2004, 11:05 AM » |
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well, I don't really want to use medication, hopefully I can get over it myself, but if nothing else works, I guess I'll have to take medicines.....
I'd first see a doctor. They hopefully will be able to ascertain what may help you. I agree, you're too young to go on any long term medications. Good luck.
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Ah the infamous bathroom break.I went to see Star Wars attack of the clones in my anxiety period.Half the movie I watched.The other half of the time I stared at a urinal.And here is my take on pills....they make you think you are fine.Key thing here is your brain thinks all is well.I can think I am well without spedning $20 a month.And yeah I am falling apart man.DUCT TAPE TIME!!!
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« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2004, 01:39 PM » |
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DUCT TAPE TIME!!!
I tried Duct Tape. It hurts to much to rip it off and change it every day. 
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« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2004, 05:13 PM » |
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i do get a little out of it in social situations, but it's not at a level i'd call anxiety. i'm just not a people person.
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« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2004, 05:52 PM » |
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I never thought I was anxious. Always had my dad's image in my image of myself, and he was - and is, the calmest man I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. However, after meditating for a year or so, it became clear that I had anxieties. I can't say that meditation has cured them.. They come back with a vengeance, and in some ways they're more biting now. I think meditation is a savior, but at the same time it has opened my eyes to myself so that I see more clearly what an ass I can be.. 
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« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2004, 02:19 PM » |
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I used to have bad Anxiety a few years back. I felt it was brought on because I was intimidated and that was what triggered it. I felt I had to be the intimidator to overcome it so (this is going to be controverial) I took up drinking. Not often, once every two weeks or once a week or so, I'd go out and get drunk (not in a depending way, more of therapy). I found when I was drinking I felt more comfortable being the intimidator and this was productive. The more times I felt like that, the easier it became when I was sober. (When I say intimidator I do not mean to be bossy or mean to people, but if a situation arose when i was anxious, it was easier to make other people anxious too and made me kind of 'over the bell') So it was kind of a therapy for me and I sencierly believe that is what helped me.
In no way am i recomending or suggesting alcohol is going to fix your problem, but for me it helped with my 'trigger' for anxiety.
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"if a situation arose when i was anxious, it was easier to make other people anxious too "
Thats not the right way to go about this, imho
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"if a situation arose when i was anxious, it was easier to make other people anxious too "
Thats not the right way to go about this, imho
your right, that wasn't really acurate of me saying. Just hard to describe, i guess a better way to put it would be if a situation arose to make me anxious, it was easier for me to be as comfortable as other people were.
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« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2004, 08:36 PM » |
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I felt it was brought on because I was intimidated and that was what triggered it. I felt I had to be the intimidator to overcome it  Do you mean that you felt like you were not being outgoing enough? That without expressing yourself, you were ending up in situations beyond your control thus feeling helpless? I hope that you really didn't mean the word "intimidation"..  I believe that drugs and alcohol can be a crutch for some people to prop themselves up and allow them to open up and let out what's inside when it gets pent up. However, I believe that when a person feels they can't let things out that what does eventually come out after self repression is a monster. It's like turning on a faucet and a blast of water spews forth rather than a nice stream, or a light gets turned on, but it's way too bright. Then again, maybe I'm misinterpreting you completely... 
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« Reply #17 on: February 29, 2004, 11:05 AM » |
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Do you mean that you felt like you were not being outgoing enough? That without expressing yourself, you were ending up in situations beyond your control thus feeling helpless?
That is a good way to describe how I used to feel. I guess i'm really not good at putting my feeling into writing. But i felt very intimidated a lot of times by people I was not comfortable around. If i'm being confusing i'm very sorry i find it hard to be acuratly descriptive.
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I've had terrible panic attacks for the last seven years. I've passed out in so many places now that it doesnt even bother me. After trying every drug known to the medical field, my doctor and I finally decided on xanax. At least its the only one that seems to help. As the rest of you know, panic attacks suck. For me, its like having numerous heart attacks throughout the day, everyday. I really think they began when my kids were born. Maybe the stress of just worrying that they're alright everyday,,,,,,I dont know. This is what my one time shrink told me anyways. Yeah, I went to a shrink after a near nervous breakdown one morning on my front porch. My wife and doctor decided enough was enough. Along with the shrink, i've been to several cardiologist doctors to have my heart checked (always checks out fine but i dont believe them for some reason). Maybe because my family has a history of heart disease and in the midst of these panic attacks, I lost my father as we were fishing in Lake Erie 5 years ago. That was a big topper to the whole show. Oh yeah, I have high blood pressure and i'm on medication for that too. Its good being 34 years old.  Anyways, I can sympathize with everybody and I realize its a tough go. My doctor said that panic attacks usually regress after awhile. I wish I knew when this would happen. Yeah, I drink a good bit because it relieves the tension, but i realize its a viscous little cycle. It makes me unhealthy in the long run for a short term fix. I'm working on this. Well, at least drumming is a nice way of releasing all of that nervous energy. 
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I have had panic attacks and anxiety for years, and what has helped enormously has been a combination of anti-depressant and anti-anxiety meds. A strong relationship with God has been soooooo helpful that words cannot describe. Read books on anxiety so that you realize that what you are feeling is not going to kill you or hurt you in any way. There are many techniques out there to control anxiety attacks, but the best ones, believe it or not, are in the Bible. God will never put you in a situation that without his help you cannot work through. It is there just to make you stronger. I always remember and carry with me a little card that says "Help me to remember Lord, that nothing is going to happen to me today that You and I can't hadle together" this is very true. I wish you the best and please feel from to e-mail me if you have any questions. Rudy
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Once you know you have a bit of that monster in you, the fear itself can become more of a problem than the fundamental condition itself. Make sure that you understand the difference
I passed out once, and I attribute it to nervous tension. I had just been through a terrible break up, so I am guessing that is what caused it. But I was alone, and it wasnt RIGHT after an argument or anything, thats what I thought was strange about it. This was,...... about 8 years ago, and have not passed out since, so Im pretty sure its not a physical thing, I think it was completely mental/emotional
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Its crazyness.To this day I still have no clue as to why I was having such horrible anxiety about going out and all.But from the responses I have seen here and from people I know this is apparently a very common thing amongst people.On the one hand that stinks,on the other hand there is people who can relate and help shed light on how to beat it.
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Many people suffer from PD (panic disorder). Paxil is one drug that is used to treat this common disorder. The keyboard player in my band has PD and she is taking this drug with good results. I'd suggest a visit to your family physician. There is no need to suffer with modern meds.
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« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2004, 12:59 PM » |
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Many people suffer from PD (panic disorder). Paxil is one drug that is used to treat this common disorder. It got to the point that I couldn't drink coffee, couldn't be in closed spaces and I was on THE EDGE all the time. I remember walking into a pottery factory outlet with my wife one night and there were SO MANY "things" on the shelves that it was like my mind couldn't process it. I had to actually leave the store. Paxil is what I wound up taking. I don't like being on medication for long periods of time, but on the other hand, I feel MUCH better. YMMV, please consult a physician.
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I was doing some reading last night and came across something that suggested mothers that smoke/drink or even drink coffee (regularly) while pregnant makes the offspring addicted to those substances. Withdrawl from those substances includes anxiety/panic attacks and can last a long time if born with those side effects. Depressants usually are prescribed to treat the effects.
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« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2004, 01:15 PM » |
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I was doing some reading last night and came across something that suggested mothers that smoke/drink or even drink coffee (regularly) while pregnant makes the offspring addicted to those substances. Withdrawl from those substances includes anxiety/panic attacks and can last a long time if born with those side effects. Depressants usually are prescribed to treat the effects.
Well, I know my mom didn't smoke or drink, BUT, she was and is an avid coffee drinker. BTW, that would be anti-depressants.
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I experienced one of these a few years ago. Was in a shopping mall (I don't have a problem with crowds though I greatly prefer solitude) during the Christmas husstle and started feeling nauseated just a little. Went to the food court to get a drink and the sweats came, chest tightness and of course a general state of panic. That lasted only a few minutes but later had some tests done to reveal my heart was just fine and dandy- Was told I had a panic attack. Stress is horrible, can reproduce in the body just about any symptom imaginable and it seems more than just a coincidence that the symptoms are the ones you worry about the most. That was just a general staement. Solution to the problem- the usual proper diet and excercise (I got a long way to go) and for those of you who experience stress often enough to desire a little medication to help with it, I was suggested to try a herbal medication (this is the same stuff that many physicians take for themselves when stress levels build too high) Kava. Check for it at any health food store- even Wally World carries it "Kava Kava" plant. It is, I believe, a leaf extract (Directly made as like a tea) from a plant by the same name which is polynesian. From Hawaii. Now when was the last time you saw a stressed out native islander??? That is basically what the NP told me when she recommended it after tewlling me it was what her MD friends took.
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Just a quick comment about Kava ...
... it is mildly narcotic and produces mild euphoric changes characterized by elevated mood, fluent and lively speech and increased sense of sound. Higher doses can lead to muscle weakness, visual impairment, dizziness and drying of the skin. Long term use of the herb can contribute to hypertension, reduced protein levels, blood cell abnormalities, or liver damage. Alcohol consumption increases the toxicity of the pharmacological constituents. It is not recommended for those who intend on driving or where quick reaction time is required.
Kava is the most relaxing botanical herb with exception of the opium poppy. Pharmacological studies show kava kava's active ingredients, kavalactones, produce physical and mental relaxation and a feeling of well being. It has also been used in the treatment of ailments of the genitourinary tract including vaginitis, gonorrhea and menstrual cramps. Kava is a diuretic and an anti-inflammatory, thus useful for gout, rheumatism, bronchial congestion, cystitis and prostatis. It is an effective local anesthetic and pain reliever when applied externally as a liniment. The relaxed state and sharpening of senses also contribute to aphrodisiac effect.
It's most common use ... Kava root is primarily used as a natural sedative and sleep enhancement. Herbalists have traditionally used it as a remedy for nervousness and insomnia. Kava kava is an effective relaxant able to induce a feeling of relaxation, peace and contentment, along with a sharpening of the senses. As a sleep aid it promotes deep and restful sleep. It is also a muscle relaxant that can help relieve cramping due to spasms.
All of this to say that each person needs to research for themselves before taking something like this. I've actually thought about using it (occasionally) as a sleep aid.
And as you might expect, do NOT use if pregnant, nursing, or being treated for depression.
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This is a good topic. I didn't know anxiety/panic can cause so many symptoms. Maybe I have it because I was in Wally World the other day, and it was crowded as usual, and I started to feel slightly nauseaus and lightheaded. (I have been feeling like this lately because I am stressed out.......school exams, preparing for an art show, husband starting new job, etc.) Feeling like that, I had to leave Wally World quickly I have low blood pressure and I don't think I am having a heart attack when I feel like this. I just don't like to be in crowded places.....it makes me feel "caged." I don't like to take prescription drugs or otc drugs. I would rather deal with anxiety without meds.........but that is my opinion. 
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So that report is now 2-years-old. Any current information regarding the liver problem issue. I personally am not one to use meds ... and rarely use herbal suppliments. It's amazing what a good diet and exercise will do for you. Also, taking care of yourself spiritually will also make a huge difference in your life. Meditation and prayer certainly have been proven to be a stress reliever. For me personally, observing my "day of rest" (sabbath) makes a huge difference in spirit, soul and body. If my Creator rested on the seventh day, I figure that might be good idea for me to do as well.  Our bodies do need a break ... every week. A day where you don't mess with any kind of work (physical or mental) would do us all a lot of good. If you find it hard to BE STILL for an entire day, and just relax ... that just goes to show how much you really need it! 
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My doctor says it's bad for my blood pressure if my mind is blown for more than five minutes at a time.
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Ok, this report is only 9 months old: http://www.wcpo.com/wcpo/localshows/healthyliving/20dd1947.htmlMedication for this condition seems to be an alternative nobody wants to take. Each to his own. an excerpt from the link: IN RESPONSE, KAVA HAS BEEN BANNED IN CANADA, THE UNITED KINGDOM, SWITZERLAND AND SINGAPORE. AND SALES HAVE BEEN STRICTLY LIMITED IN FRANCE AND GERMANY HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION HAS ISSUED A CONSUMER ADVISORY. IT WARNS "PERSONS WHO HAVE LIVER DISEASE OR LIVER PROBLEMS...SHOULD CONSULT A PHYSICIAN BEFORE USING KAVA -CONTAINING SUPPLEMENTS." BUT DR. LIPMAN SAYS THAT'S NOT NEARLY ENOUGH. "Given the weight of the evidence against kava, we would urge everyone to avoid its use."
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OK- so while I was intending this as a help- see what good it does to speak up... I had never heard any of this stuff. Thankfully I've taken probably less than a couple dozen pills over the span of a few years- certainly not a regular regimen (vegevitavitamin?). Thanks for the update- however old they are, I started taking that stuff a little well in advance of the warnings. I'll just have to second Barts thoughts here- I'm far away from being in shape but hopefully on the long road to that end as far as diet is concerned. Rest- well who doesn't want that anyway. I wish we lived in a society that promoted Sundays off for most (you still gotta have your service oriented careers 24/7) I can still recall when it was next to impossible to find stores open on Sundays, but then my parents weren't looking for anything on those days either.
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I have used Kava Kava in the past, never had any problems with it. It still isn't sure that Kava is bad for you, lot's of doctors still don't agree on that matter. Anyway, I don't really feel like taking medicines, I hope to overcome these anxiety problems I have at the moment by myself (and some help from God offcourse). It's all a matter of changing your way of thinking. I tend to think very negative, witch isn't very helping, I just try to stay positive, until my mind is used postive thinking. It's quite weird that so many people nowadays suffer from these kind of things ( about 1 on every 5 citizens here in The Netherlands gets to deal with something like this in their life). Maybe it has something to do with society and | | |