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« on: July 05, 2002, 02:01 PM »

Hello!
Some of you may know me of MX tabs forums, anywayz I had a question over there, and I didn't get much comments over there so I thought I'd broaden the amount of commenters and hopefully also the quality of the comments by posting my question here as well.
I sure hope you can help me:

I've found a great looking set on the internet.. for sale for 650 euros, it's complete, with a Paiste symbal set, Paiste 402 Nickelsilver, it's got a ride, crash, hi hats, and it's even a six piece set rather then standard 5 piece... also the seller is giving brushes, sticks and symbal covers along with the set
it should be a TAMA Rockstar, 4 years of age, the guy who's selling it doesn't know for sure because he got it second hand himself as well.

Anywayz heres the picture:



when i look at this picture I think it's a wicked set for $650, 650 euros! Can you advice me whether to buy this set or not cuz I'm not too experienced with buying drumsets.. this will be my first Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2002, 03:15 PM »

Find out what you could buy this kit and cymbals for ...  brand new (retail price). Add it all up and subtract 70% from the retail cost; that's what it's worth.

People are usually very proud of their gear and will want more for it than it's really worth. Think of it like buying someone's house. They've lived in it for awhile, so it's part of them. To sell it can be a very personal thing; hard to part with. But you have to be mindful of value when you buy. Know that you can buy these items brand new for 50% Off retail. Used gear needs to be considerably less than that ... unless it's vintage or a collectible.
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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2002, 04:02 PM »

70%? wow! that's al lot.. isn't that 70% dependable of factors like: age, quality etc?

but appart from the price, would this be a nice first kit for me? the only drumset I've ever had @ home was a crappy dollar-a-day drumset, so now after having returned that set a year ago Sad I really miss a drumset, so if I buy this Rockstar it will be my first. I play in a band so I should be going to use it for gigs/practises as well as a lot of practising at home! Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2002, 04:43 PM »

I think it's a good first set for anyone really. You just need to know that those cymbals come in a pack and they are not professional quality ... which is fine ... but you needed to know that.

Yes ... 70% is really the TOP price for used gear. You have to remember ... you can buy all of this stuff for 50% Off ALL THE TIME, ANY DAY OF THE WEEK ... and it's brand new!

So if you are buying used gear with NO warranty or guarantee ... you'd be crazy to pay anywhere near 50% off retail for used gear. The only time used gear is really worth more than 70% off retail is if it's vintage, rare, or high quality but no longer being made. As with anything it's all in the eyes of the beholder. Some people may want the item and don't care that they can buy it brand new for a little bit more. Me ... I'm not rich, so I have a thrifty mindset.

I don't have access to the retail prices for the TAMA Rockstar or the Paiste 402 cymbal set. If I did, I could tell you what you could buy them brand new.

To me, if the item is entry level quality, which all of what you are looking at is, it's worth even less used. It's not going to retain it's value over the years ... or even appreciate to the point of EVER being considered vintage or rare; not in 40 years ... not ever!

So why pay a bunch of money for a used instrument like the TAMA Rockstar?

A PEARL EX Export retails for $1099.00 (US). Zildjian ZBT4 Pro cymbal sets retail for $371.00. The total would be $1470.00 (plus tax) ... 50% off is $735.00 (US).

That means that you could buy a BRAND NEW kit with cymbals for around $750.00 (Euro). The TAMA kits are usually a little cheaper than the PEARL, and PAISTE cymbals are usually a little more than ZILDJIAN; so it will probably be comparable.

I don't know about you, but I think $650 (Euro) is a little pricey for a used kit ... even if the guy only had it for a year.

Offer him/her $300 ... but don't pay more than $450 because it's just not worth it.

All of this is just my opinion, but I have been in the music business for a number of years, and used to own my drum shop. So suffice to say, I know what I'm talking about (sorry that sounded arrogant). It's jut my opinion, and other people may disagree with me, which fine of course.
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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2002, 06:22 AM »

thnx again Bartman for this usefull reply..
let me bother you, or someone else who might be able to help me on this one, one last time them

tomorrow I'm going over to this guy who's selling the rockstar to see if I want to buy it. I'm quite new to the buying-a-drumset world, so I need help with the points I need to look at for the drumset...

because only then I can really decide whether I will buy it or not..


what points should I check out?

- scratches on the drumset
- overall quality of the drumset
- quality of hi-hat and bass drum pedal
- quality of drum heads
- the sound of the drumset wether I like the sound
- playing on the set, does it feel good playing on it?
- mounting system, are the toms easily moveable so I can set it up anyway that's comfortable for me
- quality + sound of the Paiste symbals, do I like the sound, any dents on the symbal

what about these pointers I just made up.. if I look for these when deciding to buy the set or not, will I end up with a good set? or are there more/other pointers I should look for?

I can assure you this will be my last question for this set, then I'm all ready to go off and maybe buy the Rockstar, I will go for bidding 300 - 450 to start off with, offcourse depending on the result of above pointers Smiley

Bartman isn't there any chance you could come along with me to buy the set? i bet you could get a great price Cheesy
just kidding, don't think it'll be worth the travel to the Netherlands for you :p
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2002, 06:44 AM »

what about these pointers I just made up.. if I look for these when deciding to buy the set or not, will I end up with a good set? or are there more/other pointers I should look for?

I can assure you this will be my last question for this set, then I'm all ready to go off and maybe buy the Rockstar, I will go for bidding 300 - 450 to start off with, offcourse depending on the result of above pointer.

I think you've got the right idea. Look at the kit, checking for scratches, dings, wear and tear, etc. And remember ... it needs to be in perfect condition in order for you to even CONSIDER offering 70% Off of retail. If you find ANYTHING wrong with it, per your list, then the kit is worth EVEN LESS. When bargaining for the price, let the seller know that YOU know what you can buy a new kit & cymbals for. It only makes sense that you would not pay anywhere close to what you could get it new. If you did ... then you might as well buy it new!

You'll do great. Just use your head and treat it like you would if buying a car. It's not a collectible kit, so the value only goes down ... never ever up.
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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2002, 09:00 AM »

ok bart, I bought the set today.. at least I made the deal...

what you say about 70%off for second hand and 50% off for brand new, you may be right, for at least in the US. I'm from europe (Netherlands) and there's no way you get 50% off for older stuff in stores here. I've lived in the US for 4 years and I know the market there quite well and yes, you are right with what you say, but I think it's totally different in Holland,

anywayz that's the reason I made a offer of $500 (500 euros) rather then 300 - 450 like you adviced me to. He went along with 500 euros, so maybe I could've offered a little less but I think I got myselve a nice first set for only 500 euros... the set looked nice.. just like on the picture... no real scratches or anything.. and it sounded nice.. even the symbals were better then I expected.. all looked real decent Smiley

I'm gonna pick up the set after my vacation, 30th of july, so I'll have to wait for a while but I think the wait will be worthwhile Cheesy
and then it's just a matter of tuning and setting up the way I like it, maybe get myselve some new heads, dunno yet, but I hope I got myselve a nice set here Cheesy

thnx again for all your tips on this topic, they've helped me and made me confident of buying the set.. for a better price then I first figured Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2002, 04:59 PM »

I'm from europe (Netherlands) and there's no way you get 50% off for older stuff in stores here.

Sounds great and glad it worked for you.

I did want to address one last thing regarding what you said in your post (see above quote).

You said there's no way that you get 50% off for older stuff in stores in the Netherlands.

I just want to make sure that you understand that the drumset you looked at (and now purchased) is not older in the sense that it has more value. They are still making this same drumkit today. I think we are on the same page with all of this ... we are just having a bit of a language break-down. Perhaps you mean that you can't buy USED (rather than OLD) for 50% Off retail.

Bottom line is your happy and I'm happy that you are pleased with the transaction. I hope I was of some help regardless.
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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2002, 11:57 PM »

yeah i meant for used stuff Smiley
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