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« on: March 03, 2004, 06:50 PM »

I'm learning the heel/toe technique for use on my single foot pedal.
I've primarily used heel down technique before and would like to use the heel/toe for quick doubles.  In the past my spring tension has been pretty loose.  Any suggestions on spring tension for the heel/toe technique???
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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2004, 10:35 PM »

this should help:

http://www.drummercafe.com/education/5-minute-lessons/;action=display;threadid=3995
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2004, 08:34 PM »

To properly get the heel-toe thing going your tension should be very high at first.  Once you've got the motion down and your muscles built up the tension can settle back somewhere in the middle.

You do not want a loose pedal for this technique.
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2004, 12:23 AM »

that's interesting, cause Steve Smith on his DVD recommends a setting as loose as possible.

then again, he calls his heel/toe technique "constant release".
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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2004, 08:05 PM »

I don't recommend max tension, but maybe that's just me. I think at max tension, the pedals are too "jumpy", and instead of gliding well they jerk back too much. I can go much faster at slightly looser than max than at max, both for singles and doubles (even though I don't use heel toe for doubles). Scheming demon and I might have different concepts of loose and tight, but I certainly agree with him that you need your pedal to be tight enough to respond quickly for this technique. I think, though, that if it's too tight it will work against you and not let you build up enough "whip" in your stroke that you need for power and speed in heel-toe.
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2004, 05:51 AM »

Think of it this way: if you were in a fight, and you were planning to hit some guy square in the kisser, would you punch and push your fist two inches into his face, or would you punch and naturally allow your hand to bounce off so that you are ready for another punch

i know this doesn't relate to the topic, but yes you would punch 2 inches past the guys face, and no you wouldn't leave your fist there. if you let yur fist bounce off the guys face, you'll just make him real mad. Wink
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2004, 06:00 AM »

so i climed down off my high horse, went over to the kick drum and tried the heel toe. man does that hurt. a real kick butt young drummer showed it to me a few years ago.my peddel seems to small for this, or am i doing something wrong. my heel sems to right on the hinge so i get no travel on the heel part
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2004, 07:30 AM »

so i climed down off my high horse, went over to the kick drum and tried the heel toe. man does that hurt. a real kick butt young drummer showed it to me a few years ago.my peddel seems to small for this, or am i doing something wrong. my heel sems to right on the hinge so i get no travel on the heel part

the thing to realise is that you don't actually need to have your whole foot on the footboard. you can play this technique with the heel way off of the back of the pedal. the key is to get a strong heel motion first (there are a couple of videos that demonstrate this) and to realise that it isn't actually the heel causing the first hit.

you say that your heel is on the hinge - you may like to try moving your whole foot further down, so that your heel a little past the hinge.
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« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2004, 09:58 PM »

If you're having trouble learning heel toe because your feet are too big, you can switch to a bouncing/sliding method that works just as well (look at virgil donati's double stroke bass drum rolls). Just spend time every day alternating doubles with your hands and feet, and your feet will develop their own sliding/bouncing motion over time.
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« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2004, 08:04 AM »

I have been playing it with all different tension settings, beater angles, etc.
It's just a matter of practice.
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