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« on: July 07, 2002, 01:00 PM » |
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hello, I'm new here and I wanted to learn something about the wuhan cymbals
I play most of the time black metal and I wondered if wuhan would fit with that music because they are not so expensive and I am poor, thank you for your possible replies
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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2002, 02:27 PM » |
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no, they would definitely not fit into that kind of music...since they are musical, add an uplifting character to music and are generally pleasing to the ear when used with taste, talent and skill.
If I was in a black metal band I would buy some garbage can lids, drill mounting holes in them and place them on cymbal stands. You need a trashy cymbal? Then do that.
Then I would take that money I saved, but some drum lessons and decent cds and get into some other genres of music. When you know some other styles and you still think you want to play metal...then go ahead. Make a contribution to the genre, don't slur it anymore than it has been.
Black metal...how ridiculous.
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2002, 03:33 PM » |
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chill felix, if you werent trying to be funny, you were just being a jerk. i would have to agree that wuhans wouldnt do it for you though. wuhans are typically thinner than most and i wouldnt count on them to stand up to aggressive playing. on top of that, they wouldnt have the cutting power to be heard above guitars well. id probably lean toward zildjian Z customs. if thats still too pricey maybe the zbt's. you can get a starter set of ZBT's (20, 16, 14 hats) for $200 at interstate. they are a sheet B8 alloy bronze. not the best cymbals, but id trust them to hold up. but start saving, im sure youll want something else before long  and if you arent already, id recommend lessons as well. not because your genre of choice, but for a couple other reasons. 1) its easy to hurt yourself when playing aggressively if your technique is screwy. heck, even if you arent playing aggressively. 2) its easy to hurt your gear when playing aggressivly if your technique is screwy. and it doesnt sound like you can afford to do that. and all this is coming from a self taught guy who doesnt particularly like zildjian. just trying to be objective and helpful. good luck, have fun. |
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2002, 05:52 PM » |
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Felix... do I need to smack you in the head?
Wuhans are so cheap. Go ahead and get one. I dig 'em enough. If you don't like what you hear or it breaks after six months you're only out, what, $35? I have no idea what black metal is. Are you black? Or is the metal black? What color is a sound?
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2002, 07:11 PM » |
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What's "black metal"? Is it heavy metal music with a rapper?  I love my Wuhan china cymbal ... but it I can tell you that it will break if subjected to heavy hitting. The exception might be if you could find a heavy/thicker Wuhan. |
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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2002, 08:09 PM » |
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my notion of black metal is essentially an extreme form of metal that combines elements of gothic and death metal. it can go from huge somber neoclassical requiems, to blisteringly fast blast beats. one of the more famous bands that could be called black metal would be cradle of filth. others would be satyricon, belphagor, fog ... etc. you can check out allmusic.com for thier thoughts on the matter. essentially, if you hear big synth pads in a death/speed metal song and cant make out the bands logo to save your life and all the members have names like norse gods, its probably black metal  (while the above statement is based in truth, it was said in the spirit of good fun, no insult meant, theres a reason i know this stuff afterall ) |
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2002, 11:40 AM » |
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I saw a 27 inch Wuhan china on Ebay last time I checked, it looked SO cool.  |
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2002, 11:43 AM » |
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2002, 11:44 AM » |
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I have an 18" and 20" love them both, but it's not a cymbal for all ocassions, I can see them breaking down if pounded a lot.
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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2002, 12:14 PM » |
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Thank you for the replies, I think I will try one Wuhan cymbal and deceide then wether I like it or not. Further, I agree that you could call black metal a very extreme form of heavy metal, with fast death metal riffs and blasts and slow more gothic like slow sounds, and the jokes are correct, it just depends on the way how you look to it. I do take drumlessons and my teacher is a big fan of some jazz drummers, so I do know other music genres, and I still want to play metal, and he is teaching me different techniques most of the time. and felix, are you trying to say with:"no, they would definitely not fit into that kind of music...since they are musical", that black metal isn't musical. Then you have to listen good to the music, because a lot of BM bands use influences from old classic composers like wagner and the good bands have a great technique, check out Nicholas from Dimmu Borgir and ex Cradle of Filth drummer. |
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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2002, 01:13 PM » |
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Metal is not all bad. Listen to some Spastic Ink and Cynic. Cynic is a progressive jazz-death band. Well they aren't really death anymore. Once they hit Focus, they became more progressive metal sounding. Also Spastic Ink is another great band with songs like See, And It's Sharp! (Only using C and C#, no toms), Harm And A Half-Time Baking Shuffle (Drummer really excels here), and my favorite, Counter And Groove In E Minor (Just listen to the funk/metal song)...  P.S. Interesting smileys... |
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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2002, 01:24 PM » |
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Calm down guys!!! I'll help, since I'm a good guy ... Well Black Metal it's a trash metal MORE trash with a (dark "anti-christ") philosophy behind... They are the bad guys for sure... Like Death Metal... I don't like blk metal too but I know some guys and some names, I think the wuhans aren't the best for this type of sound, but for the money, it's worth... Try some bright explosive cymbals... The sabians AA thins and medium thins will do the work... or you can go to the other side and take them "deeper", if is this you want try some dark and heavy cymbals... |
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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2002, 07:48 AM » |
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Wuhans are cheap, but you will be a monthly regular at the drum shop if you plan on playing them in the black metal style. You need durability(and a warranty!!), so I would say any of the big 3 mfg. would be fine. Zildjian, go with the Z series, Sabian, probably the AA or AAX series but not too sure, Paiste, i'm unsure of, I'm a Zildjian guy. You should probably also stick with cymbals that are a bit on the thick side. You also should probably use large diameter cymbals, they will get through those power chords easier.
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« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2002, 02:19 PM » |
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and wear ear plugs.
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« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2002, 01:35 PM » |
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hey i have a 16 wuhan china and i beat the livin piss outta that thing and ive loaned it to a trusted drummer friend of mine on ocations and he plays harder than i do it has yet to crack......but i agree some what about using a wuhan in a black metal groupe....wuhan is pretty trashy but a lil to high pitched now u kould probably solve that problem by getting a bigger china or whatever type of cymbal u were looking for......and about ur music choice....i love all metal and core so i say rock on
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« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2002, 01:37 PM » |
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Wuhan cymbals are OK!!! not to expenses but for the budget is a good cymbal. don't get any crashes, ride, or hi-hats. just the china... they have a nice trash sound. Not the best...but they do the job. they are not made for small gigs...!!! good luck!!!  |
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« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2002, 11:53 AM » |
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Thank you for all youre advice I'm going to buy a wuhan china and maybe a little splash on the 15th of august, when I've got may paycheck, I can't wait, I will tell you about my personal feelings about my new cymbals then
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« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2002, 06:38 AM » |
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Happy hunting-
I have yet to play on them myself. I however also get paid this month (oh my wife gets the money from my regular job-but I gotta couple drum students who pay at the beginning of the month) and plan a trip for the same purpose. I may check out ebay as well though but I really prefer to shop from the local guys when they got the stock.
I hace heard them though and they do sound pretty nice.
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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2002, 11:37 AM » |
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A bit earlier then planned, but that is just better, I bought some Wuhan cymbals.
A 18ince China and a 10ince splash, and I love them.
They sound pretty good for the price. The spash is very high and has got an agressive and piercing sound, fun for odd accents, and the china has got that not very well pitched woesj sound. Thanks for all the information about the subject, and find youre self also a few nice cymbals, I think that with more cymbals you can have more fun.
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