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« on: March 14, 2004, 08:56 PM »

I just got back to Waco from this.  UN-FREAKING-BELIEVABLE!!!!  A glimpse of what heaven will be like for drummers....as a bonus, I got to say hello to Bart. Smiley

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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2004, 07:00 AM »

Hey, guys:  TELL US MORE!!!!! Grin

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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2004, 09:12 AM »

I'll share some of my experiences this weekend ... a little later ... but would like to give anyone who attended an opportunity to share what they got out of it.

As a participant ... I have to say that I was blown away. Getting to hang and play a bit with all these great musicians was definitely a once in a life time experience. I only hope that I get to do that again!

Also ... for any Cafe members who came to the event ... I'm sorry if I didn't get to chat very much, or even appeared to be "distant". I was so fried from the rehearsals and long hours ... I was in a daze for most of the weekend. That and trying to visit/chat with everyone.  Cool
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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2004, 08:42 PM »

yo, I was there as well, and I'm from Waco.

In the mother of all coincidences, a Baylor student from Waco ended up sitting next to me...unless you're him, that makes three from Waco, not counting my daughter.

I'm David Jung and play at First United Methodist at Cobbs & Lake Air...

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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2004, 10:09 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2004, 10:21 PM »

One of the best quotes…regarding the time-keeping part of drumming and directed to worship leaders, etc.  “If the drummer’s rushing, he’s right.  If he’s dragging, he’s right.”

Hmmmm ... now I wonder who might have said that?!  Grin ROFL

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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2004, 05:32 AM »

Hmmmm ... now I wonder who might have said that?!  Grin ROFL

You know the customer is always right.  But now, it has been officially confirmed that:
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Thanks for that info, David.  

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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2004, 09:25 AM »

David-

Thanks for the review. It warmed my heart to hear your report about Vinnie C. I had dinner with him several years ago right after he got done being out with Sting. Vinnie had asked me if I would give him a ride back to his hotel. He told me on the way there about some personal issues he was going through. At the time he was not a believer, but I felt I needed to tell him about my experience with God and how the power of prayer can work in someone's life. It is great to see that he obviously has looked to Him, and found peace through Him!
It is of course refreshing to hear about the other great players at the conference too!
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« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2004, 09:33 AM »

Awesome everyone!  Sounds like it was a great experience!
I can't wait for Bart to tell us all about his clinic!
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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2004, 12:31 PM »

Hmmmm ... now I wonder who might have said that?!  Grin ROFL

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There was so much good stuff going on, its hard to keep straight who said what. Smiley  Your bus-driver/tour-guide and the card analogies was pretty good too.   I think you mentioned this, but it bears repeating as I can vouch for it...the more I'm practiced up, the more creative I am.  Kind of the Luck=Preparation+Opportunity thing.  

The cowbell/water thing was really neat...not sure where I'd use it yet without freaking everyone out. Cheesy  That would be a good thing to describe or video so we can see how its done.

I noticed one thing Saturday that was pretty interesting in the clinics and the question/answer panel.  There were a positions taken on things that at first blush sounded like they were exact opposites, but when placed in context made good sense.  E.g., you mentioned playing a song exactly like the CD isn't really desired while the fellow following you said he made his students play it exactly like the CD.  In the context of creative expression versus learning/skills-development, the opposite statements make sense.  Ditto for the secular/religious playing, etc.

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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2004, 01:05 PM »

I noticed one thing Saturday that was pretty interesting in the clinics and the question/answer panel.  There were a positions taken on things that at first blush sounded like they were exact opposites, but when placed in context made good sense.  E.g., you mentioned playing a song exactly like the CD isn't really desired while the fellow following you said he made his students play it exactly like the CD.  In the context of creative expression versus learning/skills-development, the opposite statements make sense.  Ditto for the secular/religious playing, etc.

Yeah ... that particular thing wasn't a contradiction. I was referring to when you are actually playing, creating and expressing yourself; Terl was referring to a student situation which is very different ... and important to first learn how it is done on the CD (perhaps) ... then taking it and making it your own.

The only thing that I heard that were polar views was on the topic of secular versus religious musical situations. I think the thing that was agreed upon with all of that is that you have to do what YOU are called to do ... and not look to others for approval. I know that I am supposed to do both; I'm just a musician who happens to be a Christian.  If more people would just focus on what God is telling them to do, and trust that God is directing what others are doing ... we'd all be a lot better off.  Grin
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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2004, 10:00 PM »

DrummersForJesus was excellent!  Thanks for a great session, Bartman! I could go on and on about the incredible playing and great sessions -- but I won't...  Just imagine for yourself how great it would be, then take my word for it -- it was "infinity times" better.  Praise God for all of you that were willing to give your time and effort to make this such a success!
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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2004, 12:21 AM »

what no pics?  tsk, tsk...   Grin
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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2004, 10:20 AM »

Thank you to all of you that made it to the 2004 International Drummers for Jesus Celebration. I think it surpassed everyone's expectations, I know it did mine. All the artists were very happy with the event and want to be a part of next year's celebration. God Bless you all!

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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2004, 12:47 PM »

what no pics?  tsk, tsk...   Grin

Well, there were the signs Saturday AM that said no video or audio equipment allowed in the sanctuary...seemed to be mostly disregarded. Smiley

I took a couple of pix of the stage using my daughter's camera Friday night before things started.  If one of them turned out, I'll try to get it posted.

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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2004, 08:03 AM »

Here's a few photos from the event ... courtesy of founder & director ... Carlos Benson ... and Modern Drummer photographer, Rodney Harrison.


Drummers For Jesus artists after the Friday night concert




Bart performing during his Saturday morning seminar ... "Creative Expression"



This last photo was taken just after Sheila jumped into the middle of us ...
There were about 100 people taking photos at this point ... too funny.
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« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2004, 10:59 AM »

I'm looking at the pic with Barts auxillary kit aannnnndd.... oh yeah, there he is- I can just make out a couple arms and is that a receding hair line?

That really is quite a unique setup.  Did you do any drum set work as well or did they call you specifically for the aux. work you do?
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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2004, 11:21 AM »

wow----Thats a beautiful set up.  

I see some gear I'm not familiar with.  (I think I need to visit some percussion sites to update my knowledge and come back and join this conversation.)

Tell us about that bass drum....wait a minute, and that salad bowl on the plant stand to the left of you...  And what exactly is that necklace thing hanging down?  And tell us about the........ Grin

Tell us about some grooves you did in your clinic! Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2004, 12:24 PM »

Here's a quick description of my set-up, which I played with my hands as well as Blasticks.

Right foot is playing a Ngoma drum (like a Djun-Djun) by way of a pedal. Left is playing some Ghungroos (ankle bells) by way of a pedal and a Gajate bracket.

The large frame drum is actually my tuneable Bodhran, mounted on a snare stand. Tambourine (with head) mounted on snare stand. The "salad bowl" is filled with water ... and I dipped an LP Essoteric Cowbell into the water as I played it, thus bending the pitch.

I'm not "wearing" the Bamboo Wind Chimes ... as it appears in the photo; it's just the camera angle.

There's also an assortment of rattles and shakers ... including my favorite Caxixi ... and an old Chinese Temple Block.

Here's a link for video footage which gives a few excerpts from the composition ... CLICK HERE!

I'll talk about the composition and what I played a little later on ... so stay tuned!
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« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2004, 12:38 PM »

And what exactly is that necklace thing hanging down?  

Bart, I think she's asking about the thing that looks like it came from the neck of a Medicine Man that's hanging horizontally from the stand in front of you.

To the left of the Bamboo Wind Chimes.

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« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2004, 03:00 PM »

Bart, I think she's asking about the thing that looks like it came from the neck of a Medicine Man that's hanging horizontally from the stand in front of you.

To the left of the Bamboo Wind Chimes.

That's called a Bean Tree ... which is made from a type of Chestnut tree I believe ... like a Bendo Seed. The sound is very dark ... more than you'd expect. During the drumset portion of my piece, I played the Bean Tree like a Ride Cymbal ... along with backbeats on the Tambourine and Bodhran.
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« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2004, 03:10 PM »

Thanks for the pics Bart.  I told ya Shiela is out of control Smiley  She must be one larger than life character.
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« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2004, 03:40 PM »

Thanks for the pics Bart.  I told ya Shiela is out of control Smiley  She must be one larger than life character.

Ah ... she's just having fun. During one of her solos, early in the night, she spun around ... and even used her foot to bend the pitch on the timbales. Nothing wrong with having a good time!
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« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2004, 04:25 PM »

If you'd like to stay current with future DJF events, or would like to start your own DJF chapter in your city (or region), I'd recommend that you contact Carlos directly through the DFJ website.

By the way, one thing I failed to mention ... Carlos wrote the majority of the compositions that were used on Friday night. The man has got some serious writing talent ... as well as being a fantastic drummer!
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« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2004, 05:27 PM »

My seminar was based on percussion ... as you can see in the photos, however my approach was both as a percussionist and as a drummer.

My composition, Heavy Revie, is based on a two-bar melodic ostinato ... written as a bar of 5/4 followed by a bar of 9/8. The rhythm I used, predominantly played by a marimba, was syncopated and in a broken three-note grouping, which allowed me to play a lot of rhythmic displacement and quasi-metric modulations.

I started out playing freely over the ostinato, using only my bare hands, and later picked up some blasticks to move the feel into a shuffle feel with more of a drumset approach. I was using the Bean Tree like a Ride, the Bodhran as a Snare (accents/ghost notes), the Tambourine as a Tom Tom, and of course the Ngoma (djun-djun) like a Kick drum.

With the ostinato continuing, I moved into more of a duple feel, adding the Ghungroos in straight eighth-notes and a high pitched accent (right hand) on the Bodhran playing every other eighth-note (ala Vinnie). This meant that the accents where landing on downbeats for two-bars, then upbeats for two-bars. While keeping this going, the left hand and right foot played the syncopated ostinato ... like a Kick & Snare ... along with the melodic ostinato of the track. Did I mention I was playing to a track I created?

So there was some soloing ... and moving into a more obviously groove which outlined the real meter of the piece ... 5/4 + 9/8.

If the video turns out well, I may share it here. I'm not so sure that it will happen though, because I had to keep turning around to the sound engineer, asking for more track. This broke my concentration, and the performance is not where I would want it in order to share it with everyone.  Grin  No fault of the sound people, as it was early in the morning and there just wasn't enough time for all us to sound check the way we would have liked. We'll see what happens.

Oh, by the way, the title of the piece "Heavy Revie" has two meanings. First of all, the title was inspired by the fact that it was a "heavy revelation" to me years ago when I saw how I could modulate the feel against the melodic ostinato. So it's sort of a play on words ... a heavy revelation ... or  ... heavy revie. Secondly, the word revie means to bandy or retort, which is exactly what I feel happens throughout this piece.
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« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2004, 06:58 PM »

I wanted to give credit to the photos I supplied. I got them from Carlos, but it turns out my Rodney Harrison from Modern Drummer was the photographer. Thanks Rodney!

Rodney also says that he spoke with Rick Van Horn ... and that some of the Drummers For Jesus photos will be appearing in the August 2004 issue of Modern Drummer.  
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« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2004, 04:45 PM »

Here's a snapshot from some of the video footage I took during our Thursday night rehearsal. You can see a mass of drumkits and percussion set-ups filling the stage; what a mess!!!

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« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2004, 12:30 AM »

For the drummer, this was a wonderful and extremely beneficial time.  For the musician who is called to worship (or lead worship) this was simply awesome.  To have top Christian artists who work in the secular and the religious "worlds" all together worshipping, expressing their gifts, teaching & preaching is for me indescribable.  For the other old timers who used to listen to Alex Acuna in Weather Report or Vinnie with Zappa, or maybe even Sheila's dad when she was just a toddler this was as good as it gets.  Alex leading worship on his box, Sheila giving her heartfelt testimony and singing "River God" that a caused whole bunch of us crazy drummers to cry (you know who you are),  Terl's British wit and storytelling along with that beautiful sound on his Premier, Will Kennedy and all the others..... including the man, the Bartman himself...  TOO MUCH GOOD STUFF!!!!  I could go on and on ......

I flew out from California with a drummer buddy - we both play in our respective church praise bands - and after returning, neither of us had words to describe the weekend when we returned.  I want to call it historic because I'm not aware of anything like this ever happening before.  

I'm already planning on going to next years - wild horses could drag me away!
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« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2004, 10:23 PM »

Dear friends - soon there will be clips of the Drummers for Jesus event  posted at www.drummersforjesus.com. And then soon those clips will be downloaded and sent to other sites all around the world. I only hope that when that happens that folks will hear what the drummers were REALLY doing there that night. I also pray that many of you will join us next year. Those that came from all over the United States and around the world agreed that it was WELL WORTH THE JOURNEY. All that I talked to personally said that next year they would bring 4 or 5 more people with them. The artists themselves said that it was the most incredible LIVE event they've ever been a part of .. now that's quite a statement from some of the greatest drummers and percussionists on the planet. God Bless. carlos <><
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« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2004, 08:49 AM »

Here are a few more photos, courtesy of Bill Bachman, taken during my clinic.




Video clips are coming soon! Carlos Benson just sent me a DVD of the event.  Cool
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