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yeah I love freddies bit where he nearly bursts out laughing when he says "some guys come to left, some guys come to the right"...genius.

I can maybe accept the "groove" part of this statement, but have a REAL hard time with the "bigger sound" part.

Obviously we all need to use the technique that works best for us in any given situation.  MY grip can change back and forth between these two (and others) as needed.  None of these grips make my DRUMS sound better.  My Playing, maybe--but not my kit.

I am so sick of hearing about this "new grip".  If anything, it's going to make your drums sound "jazzier".  Definitely not the "slugger" grip of my choice.  I challenge anyone who says they can get more power from fisting or at least more playable power grip/the second joint fulcrum on your index finger.

And who really thinks about fulcrums when playing anyways?  I think everyone's hands are different.  Yes I learned proper moeller technique and different orchestral snare technique as well as solid rock technique.  But this middle finger fulcrum thing, I think, is kinda hyped.

It's not Weckle's new grip that kicks, it's Dave Weckle that kicks.

ok....a challenge on sound. take your old technique hit your floor tom(or any tom) listen to the tone, now take the most relaxed grip you can DO NOT impede the rebound let it happen naturally and listen to the tone....if you do it right the drums will sound bigger and more resonant. In fact Weckl demonstrates this on that tape, he says that it happens and all of my students have noticed the difference......anyways just a challenge go ahead and try it. Also this of course has to be done on a non-muffled kit.....I'm not sure it would make a difference on a highly muffled tom. Try it and lets hear your thoughts.

LMAO!

There is nothing new about this technique. Joe Morello has been playing this way for years. And the natural rebound was taught to him by Billy Gladstone.

Freddie Gruber = genius? I think not. If anything he is about 60 years behind the late Mr. Gladstone.

Can any of you guys direct me to some pictures of what this grip is?

I'm not really that familiar with the specifics you are talking about and I can't afford the DVD at the moment.  A nice clear shot of this grip would be a help.

Thanks in advance...

Mongrel

Does it really matter in the end? The fact that many drummers are getting turned on to (or at least exposed to and thus able to choose)  this useful and (as far as I'm personally concerned) superior technique is wonderful Even Moeller claimed to have developed his technique from watching parade drummers play. Perhaps we could  declare him a biter; post-humously, that is?

It's all well and good that Billy Gladstone came up with some lovely techniques. But unfortunately, for obvious reasons, none of us will be able to study with him any time soon. The fact that this technique is being taught today, and is helping drummers as good as Weckl and Peart TODAY is what is key. To me, the technique is the important thing, not who we attribute it to. What difference does it make who 'invented' it? Sure, it's good to give credit where it's due, but it's easy to slip into preserving the memory of a person rather than the work they did, which lives on past their deaths. The technique (no matter who teaches it) helps many drummers play better, and to find and define their own style. In so doing, they may not only find ways to improve upon this technique (or at least in how they incorporate it into their playing) but may create new and interesting hybrids that will further enhance the scope of available techniques for all of us.

Hey, I've got all the respect in the world for George Lawrence Stone, Billy Gladstone, Sanford Moeller, and all the rest. But I play here, now, today. I need to bang out something that works today. Great guys, I'm sure, but it's their technique that matters.

I just take 3 pics from Dave DVD but how to upload pics here ?

About this thread I think you confuse new grip and let the stick bounce which Jim Chapin already need to alow the stick to rebound to have Moeller triplet no ? , and Jim was Dave teacher so normaly reboud should be already explain more by Dave in his first Back to Basic VHS  

OK a friend of mine just host my pics for me

Thats it??? that was the new grip. Well I have been playing this grip for many many years. From here on in it will be refered to as the dogxray grip. Thank you

Is there anyone here that doesn't use the rebound of the drumhead?  

That's a given unless on the rare occassions where I leave the stick in the head for a pitch bend.

'bout time Weckl learned how to hold a drumstick ...