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« on: August 02, 2002, 01:01 AM » |
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How does the sound of these heads and feel of these heads compare to Aquarian Texture Coated head (other than being black in colour)
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Bart Elliott
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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2002, 12:33 PM » |
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The timbre is darker ... which matches the color of the heads!  Seriously, these drumheads seem to bring out more of the lower frequencies ... as compared to the standard AQUARIAN Texture Coated heads. This is especially obvious when using brushes! Roy Burns told me (years ago) that the material that they use to color the texture coating is what gives this difference in sound. I would recommend picking up a 14 inch drumhead in both the DeJohnette and Texture Coated heads ... then try out on a snare drum. The differences are subtle when using a stick ... but brushes seem to really bring out the differences. |
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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2002, 06:11 PM » |
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Wow! I'm really glad to hear that! I just bought one of these heads for my snare, but I haven't put it on yet. That's exactly what I was looking for.  |
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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2002, 09:48 PM » |
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ok, now you got me really interested in these. id noticed them, but havent given 'em too much thought. how do they fare on toms? as im REALLY sold on remo suedes on my snares |
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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2002, 08:39 AM » |
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ok, now you got me really interested in these. id noticed them, but havent given 'em too much thought. how do they fare on toms? as im REALLY sold on remo suedes on my snares. I'm sorry to say that I can't really comment on what they're like on toms. It's been YEARS since I had them on my GRETSCH kit. Believe it or not, I don't use the DeJohnette heads on my GRETSCH kit (c. 1968) because I don't like how it looks! I just use the Texture Coated heads on the GRETSCH now. You are just going to have to try them out. If you have a 14 inch tom, get a 14 inch DeJohnette head and you can try it on your tom ... then put it on your snare if you don't like it on the toms. It's a great head in my opinion ... and worth checking out. We all have different tastes, so ultimately it will depend on your ears and what you like or dislike. |
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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2002, 04:46 PM » |
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You are just going to have to try them out. If you have a 14 inch tom, get a 14 inch DeJohnette head and you can try it on your tom ... then put it on your snare if you don't like it on the toms.
well, i dont play a 14" snare actually but its fine idea nonetheless. never hurts to try. |
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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2002, 09:24 PM » |
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Put the head on today and it is sweet. Looking forward to giving it a test run with the rest of the kit. I have Performance II's on the toms so I expect they should compliment each other well. I just picked up a nice Pearl Sessions 6x14 on eBay and this is the first refitting for the drum. Put on an Aquarian Vintage snare side too. Spent the day installing a May system and buffing up that baby. The color of the drum is a carbon mist stain/lacquer so that black head just makes the chrome shine even more. First 'new' drum I've had in years, so I'm having fun. |
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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2002, 03:43 AM » |
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I keep a DeJohnette head on my LUDWIG Akrolite snare drum (c. 1967); using it on sessions, etc. I also recently put one of these heads on my 4x14 brass snare, with diecast rims; sounds wonderful and looks cool too!  I keep a number of these heads in my stock pile; never know when I might want to throw one on another snare. |
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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2002, 11:53 AM » |
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Does Jack use these on his whole kit all the time? I absolutely love the sound of his drum kit on his recent ECM live album with John Surman. I think the sound had more to do with the venue they recorded at and the mics/engineering, etc. I always love a great live sound.
I noticed they tracked and mixed that album digitally, which brings up a thought. When recording digitally, bright sources and mics can occasionally record harsh, since digital enhances the high end. I'm wondering if "darker" sounding heads are a better choice for digital recording, which is what I do.
Sorry to get off topic, but any thoughts on that tangent? I'd love to hear more personal experience comments on these heads.
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« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2002, 04:33 PM » |
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When recording digitally, bright sources and mics can occasionally record harsh, since digital enhances the high end. i think its more like analog "trims" the high end. ive never found digital to "enhance" much. most digital setups are linear. tape tends to compress, thus the warmer high end. but thats just kinda nitpicky, sorry, im a studio geek that said, going into a digital recording with warmer sounding instruments would for sure warm up the sound. but so would warmer mics or pre-amps. if youve got an instrument that tends to be a little bright in the digital arena, try a different mic (new octava ribbons or PPA tube mics, both good and cheap) or turn the mic you usually use off axis. thats one of my fav tricks actually. recording into the side of a cardioid large dia. mic. so you combine the warm up of the off axis sound with the even warmer (kinda dull) sound youre intentionally "leaking" into the back of the mic. works great on 2-10 guitar combos (inbetween speakers) |
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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2002, 10:22 AM » |
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Yeah, you're right 565. Preaching to the choir here.  I was thinking that maybe a "darker" head might add even more to that equation, but it's probably negligible. I'd love to hear some reports of these heads on toms if anyone ever gives them a try. |
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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2002, 06:15 PM » |
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You know, it even seems that these heads give a flatter frequency response. More of the harmonic spectrum is realized. I'd love to put them to the test and REALLY measure the difference. They sound richer .... probably because the lows are brought out more. Again, I really notice this when using brushes.
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