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« Reply #60 on: October 12, 2004, 12:38 PM »

Felix, I have learned a great deal from many WFD competitors as well as personal experience.  I took the time to email a few competitors and get their take on technique and also how they trained.  Sam LeCompte, the winner of last NAMM's WFD said he used primarily his middle fingers to get his scores.  He said that he did lots of short runs at 10 secs. to establish a baseline for what speed he had the potential to achieve.  Once he did that he would just work on endurance by pushing that same speed past 10 seconds until he got to 1 minute.  My drum teach Eric Okamoto who won 1st place 2 Namm's ago tends to use his all of his fingers while using a modified Moeller technique to help him out.  Mike Mangini uses only his wrists to move the sticks while tencing up his whole arm very tightly to achieve this.  I think its very neat that all the competitors seem to have their own technique that seems to work for them.  

What I have mostly learned is that fingers seem to be one of the winning factors in the WFD.  Jotan the world record holder used his fingers to achieve his record of 1199 strokes in a minute ( nearly 20 strokes a second ).  In my experience the best way to work the technique your fingers and to make them work best for you is to play at a slow tempo making perfect strokes for 10 - 15 minutes straight using only the muscles in your fingers.  Then gradually picking it 2 or 3 bpm on the metronome and playing for another 10 - 15 minutes.  In this way you work the muscle memory into your fingers and then speed comes naturally.  I have noticed that once I work it into my muscle memory and let my fingers do the work I was able to go for extended periods of time without getting tired and my speed picked up considerably.  The hardest part of it was keeping my wrist muscles from turning on and tensing up.  If you do like my instructor Eric, then you can use your wrists in conjunction with the fingers by using Moeller.  In other words the wrist would be doing a stroke in place of the fingers (allowing the fingers to rest) and then the fingers would back the wrist stroke up with 2 strokes before the wrist came back in again (or wrist - downstroke and fingers - 2 upstrokes).

There's so much to learn, and I've only just grazed the surface.  But, I would have to say that the best way to learn is to try out everything and even come up with your own unique ideas and try them out.  You've got nothing to lose and everything to gain.  
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« Reply #61 on: October 15, 2004, 02:09 PM »

Contests that would make much more sense to me than World's Fastest Drummer:

1.  World's most in-time drummer.  
2.  World's most creative drummer.
3.  World's most reliable drummer.  
4.  World's most enjoyed drummer (by audiences composed purely of fans, not musicians).  
5.  World's most employed drummer.  
6.  World's most financially successful drummer.
7.  World's most recorded drummer.  
8.  World's most unique drummer.  

oh, and World's Shortest Adult Drummer (cuz I might win ... LOL).


1.  World's most in-time drummer.    ROLAND TR-808
2.  World's most creative drummer.   Tie - Ringo, Jimbo, Bozio
3.  World's most reliable drummer.    Jim Keltner
4.  World's most enjoyed drummer (by audiences composed purely of fans, not musicians).  Carlos Vega or Jeff Porcaro
5.  World's most employed drummer.   Chambers or Colaiuta
6.  World's most financially successful drummer.  That is a tough one
7.  World's most recorded drummer.   Purdie  or Elvin or Fongheiser
8.  World's most unique drummer.    Bozio

oh, and World's Shortest Adult Drummer BVSCfanatic!!!
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« Reply #62 on: October 15, 2004, 04:07 PM »

i've never had a go on a drumometer, but i'd like to. i think it could be a very useful tool when used in conjunction with a metronome, and provided that good technique is maintained.
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« Reply #63 on: October 18, 2004, 11:39 AM »

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i've never had a go on a drumometer, but i'd like to. i think it could be a very useful tool when used in conjunction with a metronome, and provided that good technique is maintained.

Chris,

The newest model coming out soon will have a metronome built in.  
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« Reply #64 on: October 18, 2004, 12:37 PM »

1.  World's most in-time drummer.    ROLAND TR-808
2.  World's most creative drummer.   Tie - Ringo, Jimbo, Bozio
3.  World's most reliable drummer.    Jim Keltner
4.  World's most enjoyed drummer (by audiences composed purely of fans, not musicians).  Carlos Vega or Jeff Porcaro
5.  World's most employed drummer.   Chambers or Colaiuta
6.  World's most financially successful drummer.  That is a tough one
7.  World's most recorded drummer.   Purdie  or Elvin or Fongheiser
8.  World's most unique drummer.    Bozio

oh, and World's Shortest Adult Drummer BVSCfanatic!!!


Most financially successful could be Phil Collins.  He's won a bunch of Grammy's, an Oscar and does a lot of composition, performing and producing.  Just a thought.
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The techniques, though they play an important role in the early stage, should not be too restrictive, complex or mechanical. If we cling to them, we will become bound by their limitation.  Any technique, however worthy and desirable, becomes a disease when the mind is obsessed with it.
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« Reply #65 on: October 26, 2004, 11:32 AM »

I think either Ringo or Larry Mullen Jr. would beat Phil in this 'category'.

EDIT:  Well, I stand corrected:

Here are the 40 richest British rock stars [Except for the Irish U2 - Paddy O'Ed.] according to net worth, estimated by Business Age:

1. Paul McCartney, $750 million

2. Elton John, $500 million

3. Mick Jagger, $225 million

4. Keith Richards, $220 million

5. Tom Jones, $149 million

5 (tie). Engelbert Humperdinck, $149 million

7. David Bowie, $145 million

8. Sting, $143 million

8 (tie). Phil Collins, $143 million

10. George Harrison, $128 million

11. Ringo Starr, $111 million

12. Eric Clapton, $108 million

13. U2, $105 million each

13 (tie). George Michael, $105 million

15. Rod Stewart, $101 million

16. Charlie Watts (Rolling Stones), $96 million

17. Cliff Richard, $89 million

18. David Gilmour (Pink Floyd), $86 million

19. Robert Plant and Jimmy Page (Led Zeppelin), $85 million each

20. Ronnie Wood (Rolling Stones), $82 million

20 (tie). Mark Knopfler (Dire Straits), $82 million

22. Roger Waters (Pink Floyd), $74 million

23. John Deacon, Brian May, and Roger Taylor (Queen), $67 million each

24. Nick Mason (Pink Floyd), $64 million

25. Rick Wright (Pink Floyd), $61 million

26. Jim Kerr (Simple Minds), $60 million

27. Mick Hucknall (Simply Red), $57 million

28. Van Morrison, $52 million

29. The Bee Gees, $49 million each

30. Chris de Burgh, $45 million

31. Victoria Beckham (Spice Girls), $37 million

32. Noel Gallagher (Oasis), $36 million

33. Dave Stewart (Eurythmics), $34 million

34. Melanie Chisholm and Melanie Brown (Spice Girls), $33 million each

35. Emma Bunton (Spice Girls), $31 million

36. Liam Gallagher (Oasis), $28 million

37. Geri Halliwell (ex-Spice Girl), $25 million

38. Annie Lennox (Eurythmics), $22 million

39. Fatboy Slim, $21 million

40. Robbie Williams, $16 million
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« Reply #66 on: October 26, 2004, 01:41 PM »

Man, I can't believe Jim Kerr is on that list, let alone so high!  Haven't heard anything abou the Simple Minds in years.
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« Reply #67 on: January 16, 2006, 06:34 PM »

Update on the Drumometer:
Modern Drummer Feb. '06 issue p.138 has an ad with Joe Morello endorsing the Drumometer as "a great tool."

I know some of you have expressed opinions that the Drumometer is pretty much worthless, the idea being it is a device used to pursue speed for just speed's sake.

Maybe with Joe's endorsement the devise will get a little respect as a tool that can be used in a variety of ways to improve techique.

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« Reply #68 on: January 16, 2006, 07:05 PM »

Does wfd mean worlds fastest drummer?
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« Reply #69 on: January 16, 2006, 07:30 PM »

I'd rather be a drummer who can groove musically with other musicians than a "freak" that nobody wants to play with like...hmm,lets see..ok, Virgil Donante..all he's ever going to do is clinics and MD festivals...with what, a couple CDs no one but drummers are going to buy? Even Weckl(whos badder than that?) realized this.I find as I get older, making a song, any song, sound good is the best reward in this craft.
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« Reply #70 on: January 16, 2006, 08:34 PM »

It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!  You got to grove and that is impossible to do in a speed contest.  
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« Reply #71 on: January 16, 2006, 08:38 PM »

I'd love to see some new events in the olympics.  
1. Speed Drumming.
2. Endurance Drumming - keep it at 900BPM for days until they pass out.
3. Introduce some compulsory techniques like in figure skating.  Maybe try to pull off Steve Gadds fancy ratamacues around the set or Horacio Hernandez's indepent limb stuff. Scores for artistic merit and technical difficulty.
etc.  
4. Freestyle - Scores for artistic merit and technical difficulty.
etc.  

We could come up with cool names like triple lutz and sow-cow, etc.  Ahh, I'm starting to bore myself - I better go home.  
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« Reply #72 on: January 16, 2006, 08:43 PM »

It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!  You got to grove and that is impossible to do in a speed contest.  

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« Reply #73 on: January 16, 2006, 08:45 PM »

Wanna hear me play Take the "A" Train?

Actually I would.  
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« Reply #74 on: January 16, 2006, 08:52 PM »

Wanna hear me play Take the "A" Train?

Wanna hear it again?

You missed a note.
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« Reply #75 on: January 17, 2006, 03:59 AM »

i wonder if they do steriods testing for WFD contests?

actually, that'd be the day if they took themselves that seriously... Roll Eyes Tongue Wink Grin
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« Reply #76 on: February 25, 2006, 07:43 PM »

Mike Mangini beat out Art Verdi with more than 1200 hits in a minute's time
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« Reply #77 on: February 25, 2006, 09:35 PM »

wonder what buddy would have done? Grin
i doubt he would care Cheesy Grin Wink
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« Reply #78 on: February 25, 2006, 09:53 PM »

wonder what buddy would have done? Grin
i doubt he would care Cheesy Grin Wink

Got that right.
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« Reply #79 on: February 26, 2006, 02:42 PM »

Buddy's the reason the drumometer exists. If it weren't for his comment to Barrett Deems at the Chicago Namm show ages ago, Boo never would have had the idea to invent it.

Buddy wouldn't have been in the running against the guys winning today, and that's not to take anything from him. He was an incredible player and one of a kind.
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