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Can someone explain and maybe give me some examples of songs with train beats. I may try out for a country rock band and this came up so I want to be sure I am on the same page.
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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2004, 02:20 PM » |
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Paul Leim gives a demonstration of a train-beat at a fast tempo in the second half of this video. Songs exhibiting such a rhythm include: The Devil went down to Georgia – Charlie Daniels On the road again – Willie Nelson Petticoat Junction – TV show Last train home – Pat Metheny Two Step – Dave Mathews Band Gallows Pole -Led Zeppelin Train Time - Cream Trouble on the Line - Sawyer Brown Train Kept a' Rolling - Aerosmith (from Drum Bum) |
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I'm not a particularly slow player, yet I don't play fast. I play half-fast.
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2004, 03:45 PM » |
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Paul Leim gives a demonstration of a train-beat at a fast tempo in the second half of this video. Interesting - he plays left-hand lead on his train beats. I haven't seen a right-hander do that before. Thanks for the link! |
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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2004, 04:30 PM » |
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somewhat off-topic, but a great train beat idea:
i got this from a good friend of mine. it's originally from john dietrich of restless heart.
r l R l r r L r/r l R l r r L r (caps are accents on 2 and 4)
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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2004, 08:01 PM » |
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Interesting - he plays left-hand lead...
Are you sure about that? It appears that he is playing all of his crashes and starting all of his tom runs with the right hand. Perhaps the video is just a little behind the audio. Hmmm. Adam's Dad |
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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2004, 10:06 AM » |
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Are you sure about that? It appears that he is playing all of his crashes and starting all of his tom runs with the right hand. Yeah, but all his backbeats seem to be with his left hand. I agree that the video timing is a little off, but to me it looks like one of the main patterns he plays is this: l r L r l R L r l r L r l R L r Obviously he has to break that pattern up to do all those right-handed cymbal crashes, but that's what it looked like to me. Interesting! |
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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2004, 10:12 AM » |
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another veriation of the train beat is
*lRl *lRl
* = rest
it gives the groove a little breathing room when you add the bass drum you get this.
blRl blRl
b = bass drum
Then there are the paraddile variations for the stickings
rrLr llRl
Use this stick in conjunction with the standard rlRl and you can move around your kit with ease.
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2004, 10:44 AM » |
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train beats are my favorite beat to play on my standup kit, with brushes.
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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2004, 01:20 PM » |
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I like Carter Beauford's interpretaion of a train beat in "Two Step" on the Dave Mathew's Band "Crash" CD.
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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2004, 07:09 PM » |
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"Ready Steve? Andy? Mick? Alright, fellas ..." and how could we forget The Ballroom Blitz ... lots of country rock bands play that one, ya know ...  |
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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2004, 09:28 PM » |
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If I remember correctly ... Paul is left handed, but plays right handed. I'll have to ask him next time I see him to confirm this.
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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2004, 01:14 PM » |
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Bart- Paul is a lefty playing righty. I am too, however I play the train with a right hand lead. I am just all messed up!  |
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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2004, 11:30 AM » |
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Here's a version I use a lot:
r l R l r L R l r l R l r l R L
mix it up with:
r l R l r L R l r L R l R l R L
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It's all about the feel. The feel goes between the notes.........leave room.
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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2004, 12:27 PM » |
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ok. confession. here's a silly trick i used to do i'd say, "who wants to hear a train!"...then i'd beat on the coffee table: right left RIGHT left right LEFT RIGHT left (starting reeeeallly slowly, just like an actual train, then gradually speeding it up til the train is at full speed, and i go "choooooo---chooooo!!!", then gradually slow it back down til its reaaaaaallly slow, then stop. |
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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2004, 12:37 PM » |
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Don't forget about your feet everybody!
Generally "Boom Chick Boom Chick" (BD and HH) is laid under those hands.
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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2004, 01:20 PM » |
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Don't forget about your feet everybody!
Generally "Boom Chick Boom Chick" (BD and HH) is laid under those hands.
True. But you can also get a kind of cool pseudo half-time thing going by playing all quarter notes with the bass, and 2 and 4 with the hihat (half as fast as the snare backbeats).
COUNT: 1 e & a 2 e & a 3 e & a 4 e & a
SNARE: r l R l r l R l r l R l r l R l
BASS: x x x x
HIHAT: x x
But Jon E's boom-chic suggestion IS the most common way to play this groove.
COUNT: 1 e & a 2 e & a 3 e & a 4 e & a
SNARE: r l R l r l R l r l R l r l R l
BASS: x x x x
HIHAT: x x x x
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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2004, 11:30 AM » |
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x x x x--->
o o | o o
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Blackdog 72 Red--I used to run that play all the time in the old sandlot. Little did I know it was so very close to a tab for a train shuffle! |
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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2004, 01:10 PM » |
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Songs exhibiting such a rhythm include:
Gallows Pole -Led Zeppelin There are some seriously wicked bass drum patterns at the end of that tune. Makes my ankle hurt just thinking about them.  |
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« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2004, 03:18 AM » |
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Hello every body.
I'm new on this forum and I'm French, so it's not very easy to write in English, but I'll try.
I play drum for a very long time now.
In france a drum méthod call "N°5 DANTE AGOSTINI" talk about the train.
Did someone can transcribe an other rythm that really groove a lot : "SWEETEST TABOO of SADE"
tanks everybody goodbye
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« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2004, 12:01 PM » |
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Fishman of the band Phish plays a really awesome train beat on the song "Get Back on The Train".
cnt : 1 e & a 2 e & a 3 e & a 4 e & a
hh : x x x x x x x x
snr : l r L R l r L r l r L R l r L r
bass: x x x x x x
Get this one in the pocket and I assure you your skills as a drummer will increase weather you want them to or not.
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