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« on: July 10, 2004, 01:11 PM »

Can someone explain and maybe give me some examples of songs with train beats. I may try out for a country rock band and this came up so I want to be sure I am on the same page.
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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2004, 01:20 PM »

Paul Leim gives a demonstration of a train-beat at a fast tempo in the second half of this video.

Songs exhibiting such a rhythm include:

The Devil went down to Georgia – Charlie Daniels
On the road again – Willie Nelson
Petticoat Junction – TV show
Last train home – Pat Metheny
Two Step – Dave Mathews Band
Gallows Pole -Led Zeppelin
Train Time - Cream
Trouble on the Line - Sawyer Brown
Train Kept a' Rolling - Aerosmith

(from Drum Bum)

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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2004, 02:45 PM »

Paul Leim gives a demonstration of a train-beat at a fast tempo in the second half of this video.


Interesting - he plays left-hand lead on his train beats. I haven't seen a right-hander do that before. Thanks for the link!
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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2004, 03:30 PM »

somewhat off-topic, but a great train beat idea:

i got this from a good friend of mine.  it's originally from john dietrich of restless heart.

r l R l r r L r/r l R l r r L r  (caps are accents on 2 and 4)
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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2004, 07:01 PM »

Interesting - he plays left-hand lead...

Are you sure about that?  It appears that he is playing all of his crashes and starting all of his tom runs with the right hand.  Perhaps the video is just a little behind the audio.  Hmmm.

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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2004, 09:06 AM »

Are you sure about that?  It appears that he is playing all of his crashes and starting all of his tom runs with the right hand.


Yeah, but all his backbeats seem to be with his left hand. I agree that the video timing is a little off, but to me it looks like one of the main patterns he plays is this:

l r L r  l R L r  l r L r  l R L r

Obviously he has to break that pattern up to do all those right-handed cymbal crashes, but that's what it looked like to me. Interesting!
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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2004, 09:12 AM »

another veriation of the train beat is
 *lRl *lRl

* = rest

it gives the groove a little  breathing room when you add the  bass drum you get this.

blRl blRl

b = bass drum

Then there are the paraddile variations for the stickings

rrLr llRl

Use this stick in conjunction with the standard rlRl and you can move around your kit with ease.

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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2004, 09:44 AM »

train beats are my favorite beat to play on my standup kit, with brushes.
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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2004, 12:20 PM »

I like Carter Beauford's interpretaion of a train beat in "Two Step" on the Dave Mathew's Band "Crash" CD.
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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2004, 06:09 PM »

"Ready Steve?   Andy?    Mick?   Alright, fellas ..."  and how could we forget The Ballroom Blitz ... lots of country rock bands play that one, ya know ...   Cheesy
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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2004, 08:28 PM »

If I remember correctly ... Paul is left handed, but plays right handed. I'll have to ask him next time I see him to confirm this.
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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2004, 12:14 PM »

Bart- Paul is a lefty playing righty. I am too, however I play the train with a right hand lead. I am just all messed up! Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2004, 10:30 AM »

Here's a version I use a lot:

r l R l  r L R l r l R l r l R L

mix it up with:

r l R l  r L R l r L R l R l R L

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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2004, 11:27 AM »

ok. confession.  here's a silly trick i used to do Cheesy

i'd say, "who wants to hear a train!"...then i'd beat on the coffee table:

    right  left  RIGHT left  right LEFT RIGHT left

(starting reeeeallly slowly, just like an actual train, then gradually speeding it up til the train is at full speed, and i go "choooooo---chooooo!!!", then gradually slow it back down til its reaaaaaallly slow, then stop. Cheesy
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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2004, 11:37 AM »

Don't forget about your feet everybody!

Generally "Boom Chick Boom Chick" (BD and HH) is laid under those hands.
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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2004, 12:20 PM »

Don't forget about your feet everybody!

Generally "Boom Chick Boom Chick" (BD and HH) is laid under those hands.

True. But you can also get a kind of cool pseudo half-time thing going by playing all quarter notes with the bass, and 2 and 4 with the hihat (half as fast as the snare backbeats).




COUNT: 1 e & a 2 e & a 3 e & a 4 e & a

SNARE: r l R l r l R l r l R l r l R l
BASS:  x       x       x       x        
HIHAT:         x               x



But Jon E's boom-chic suggestion IS the most common way to play this groove.





COUNT: 1 e & a 2 e & a 3 e & a 4 e & a

SNARE: r l R l r l R l r l R l r l R l
BASS:  x       x       x       x        
HIHAT:     x       x       x       x


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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2004, 10:30 AM »

x       x       x       x--->        
     o       o  |    o     o  
                 /
        |
        |
         ---> x

Blackdog 72 Red--I used to run that play all the time in the old sandlot. Little did I know it was so very close to a tab for a train shuffle!
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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2004, 12:10 PM »

Songs exhibiting such a rhythm include:

Gallows Pole -Led Zeppelin

There are some seriously wicked bass drum patterns at the end of that tune.

Makes my ankle hurt just thinking about them.  Wink
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« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2004, 02:18 AM »

Hello every body.

I'm new on this forum and I'm French, so it's not very easy to write in English, but I'll try.

I play drum for a very long time now.
In france a drum méthod call "N°5 DANTE AGOSTINI" talk about the train.

Did someone can transcribe an other rythm that really groove a lot :  "SWEETEST TABOO   of SADE"

tanks everybody  goodbye
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« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2004, 11:01 AM »

Fishman of the band Phish plays a really awesome train beat on the song "Get Back on The Train".

cnt :  1 e & a 2 e & a 3 e & a 4 e & a
hh  :  x   x   x   x   x   x   x   x
snr :  l r L R l r L r l r L R l r L r
bass:  x     x x       x     x x  


Get this one in the pocket and I assure you your skills as a drummer will increase weather you want them to or not.
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« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2004, 12:15 PM »

Blackdog 72 Red--I used to run that play all the time in the old sandlot. Little did I know it was so very close to a tab for a train shuffle!

HA!
       
I tried to do a play of my own but I don't have the patience. I still have my old high school playbooks somewhere. Train beat on 3, Train beat on 3, ready...break!

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« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2004, 02:02 PM »

Hey, Mr A - how do you get your tab to line up? I did it once, but I had to use hyphens to indicate rests.

Mr Gobar - are those bass drum notes "and-uh" or "uh-two?"
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« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2004, 02:07 PM »

Hey, Mr A - how do you get your tab to line up? I did it once, but I had to use hyphens to indicate rests.

Mr Gobar - are those bass drum notes "and-uh" or "uh-two?"

Surround your tabs with these tags, substituting straight brackets for the curly ones shown here:

{pre}your groovy tab stuff{/pre}

If the end result is too small, then surround all that text with these size tags, using 3 or 4 as your size:

{size=4}{pre}your groovy tab stuff{/pre}{/size}


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« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2004, 02:36 PM »

Thanks - I think I tried to just set it in Courier:

(pre)
cm: o
hh: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
sd:     s       s  
bd: k         k    


(font=Courier)
cm: o
hh: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
sd:     s       s  
bd: k         k    
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« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2004, 08:31 AM »

Andrew sorry about my tab.  I didn't know how to turn the kerning off so it didn't align the way it was supposed to.  (kerning is the spacing between each character or letter)  Anyway now that Mr. Acrolite cleared it up for me I can write the tab the way its suppose to be.  Again this is John Fishman playing "Get Back on the Train" in the band Phish!

Count : 1 e & a 2 e & a 3 e & a 4 e & a
HHfoot: x   x   x   x   x   x   x   x  
Snare : l r L R l r L r l r L R l r L r
BASS  : x     x x       x     x x

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« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2004, 09:13 AM »

That's like a Samba train!
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« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2004, 02:22 AM »

My favorite train beat is the slower moving train in the Lynyrd Skynyrd song 'Tuesday's Gone'. The drummer is Robert Nix (The Atlanta Rhythm Section) who bumped Skynyrd drummer Bob Burns on this track. Burns was a great drummer, and it must of stung to have been 'Nixed'.

This train is an older locomotive, you can can hear the steam and the wheels turn, and even though the song doesn't speed up, it builds momentum.
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« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2004, 10:50 AM »

I don't hear any train beat in 'Tuesday's Gone'  Sad

That's cause it's building steam, leaving the station.
Not your typical train beat...
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« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2004, 05:04 PM »

must be a diesel ...

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« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2004, 11:03 AM »

Surround your tabs with these tags, substituting straight brackets for the curly ones shown here:

{pre}your groovy tab stuff{/pre}

If the end result is too small, then surround all that text with these size tags, using 3 or 4 as your size:

{size=4}{pre}your groovy tab stuff{/pre}{/size}


If you use the Teletype function, see the button when you post, it will place these tags around your tab and make it line-up properly. It's so small, you'll need to increase the size a bit, as Mr. A suggested.

Example:
Code:
[tt]R L R L[/tt]

would look like this when posted:
R L R L

This is what I use, and increase the font size to 3, which would look like this:
R L R L

Or increase to 4:
R L R L

Anyway, it all lines up now as you add various lines in your tab notation. You can also use bold, italic, and colors as needed.
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« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2004, 01:07 PM »

The train beat is a great tool to pull out when you need it.  I might even say essential like the basic rudiments.  Even if the music you play does not go well with a train beat, it is a great coordination excercise that requires in the pocket playing.  Once you lock it in a tight pocket, you will see and feel why so many great drummers have used it.  You will improve as a player by regularly practicing a solid train beat as one of your excercises.  
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« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2004, 01:18 PM »

I agree gobarr!  I like to play 2 bars of train beat--2 bars of fill (keeping the feet going of course), or 4 and 4.  Whatever.

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