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maestro
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« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2004, 10:32 AM »


An aside: Am I the only guy with areas on the tops of his thighs that are impervious to pain after years of using them as impromptu practice pads?

   Roll Eyes


LOL! I just noticed earlier that the skin on my legs above my knees have gone dry and red as a result of using them as practice pads earlier today...
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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2004, 01:38 AM »

hmm,

i guess i did sound a tad bit militant in my "rebound" stance, but i dunno, i guess for myself, when i tried the pillow thing, after a time, i began to feel some pain in the ol' joints!  not a good thing, to which my current teacher promptly taught me the "free stroke".

but hey, whatever works, eh?
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« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2004, 10:55 AM »

I practice with hot wet linguini on cracked sand...

What is the moeller technique?
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« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2004, 02:08 AM »

Dennis Chambers was a pillow practice freak

I think I read somewhere that Dennis Chambers got this idea from Buddy Rich.
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« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2004, 10:07 AM »

Must be a mistake.  Buddy never practiced (or so he said).  In any case it's hardly an original idea.  It could easily have come from any one of a million sources.
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evile
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« Reply #25 on: August 01, 2004, 08:03 PM »

Is being able to play trad grip 16th note rolls ( 4 to 5 inches above the head )  for 8 measures a piece minimum  with either hand on its own ,  at 142 bpm   , good or bad ?  

or triplet 8ths  at 190 , either hand for 8 measures min ?

if this is a good thing ,  then using pillows as well as pads  works for me

if its a bad thing,  then stick with the pads .

pillows allow me to practically body build  finger and wrist strength into my hands  .


if any one wants to know my secret , then leave a message .

sorry , but not using pillows as part of your training  a very bad idea.






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evile
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« Reply #26 on: August 01, 2004, 08:11 PM »

also .  a practice pad needs some adjustment to mimic a true  drum head.

you need to put  a folded  bath towel over the pad , two to 3 layers will do it .

this mimics the natural loss of energy that a real drum tends to "suck" out of your stroke each time you hit the drum.


if you try playing the pad this way , you will soon find your technique vastly expanding ,   try  stick control exercises , and one handed rolling   ,  .
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evile
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« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2004, 09:46 AM »

Apologies ,  I  may have been just A TAD  optimistic there !!  

my one handed  speeds are not  142,  and 190    

so yes feel free to call me an idiot , i deserve it    !!!!!

actual speeds measured today   =

16ths one handed either hand 8 measures at 127  bpm

triplets at 171 bpm    

 i am also approaching 124 bpm for 32's on single stroke roll  for  12 measures.

this is on a  reasonably tight tuned 5.5 craviotto .

it still is a pretty good  case for multi surface practise    

sorry again for being a dumbass at the start !





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« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2004, 07:28 AM »

Most all surfaces have rebound regardless of how little it may be noticeable -- unless we're talking about something like water or air which wouldn't be practical to practice on.  What happens when we practice on the so called "non-responsive" surface such as a pillow is that we are essentially forcing ourselves to relax our hand right after the push downward so that we can gain the most energy upward from the rebound off the surface.  If the hand is even slightly tensed after the stroke, then the rebound will be stifled and the energy will be lost.  Playing on non-responsive surfaces teaches us how to control the energy of the stick by using efficient stick control and technique.  By constantly forcing ourselves to utilize the small amount of rebound energy from a pillow to it's fullest advantage, we are gaining a deep kinesthetic understanding of our to efficiently control that energy.  Once the switch is made back to a responsive surface after hours of practice on a non-responsive surface, the benefit gained is quite obvious.  But don't take my word for it.  Try it yourself.      
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« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2004, 08:21 AM »

Once the switch is made back to a responsive surface after hours of practice on a non-responsive surface, the benefit gained is quite obvious.  But don't take my word for it.  Try it yourself.

As someone who's just put rubber silencer pads on top of his As, I can attest to this. If I spend an hour or so on the muffled As in the garage, then come back indoors to the Es or the practice pad, the effect is remarkable!
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« Reply #30 on: August 25, 2004, 10:22 AM »

I was searching on MD DVD archive for George Lawrence Stone and i found this concerning pillow :
"George always went with the idea that
you should develop your hands, reading,
and the ability to get around the set, and
then apply that to whatever you want to
apply it to, whether it be rock 'n' roll or
country & western. He'd have you practice
paradiddles and rudiments on a pillow that
didn't have any bounce. He'd have you
practice tight, squeezing the heck out of
those sticks. Sometimes in the course of a
lesson, he'd make a grab for your stick. If
he could pull that stick out of your hand
while you were playing, he'd really lay into
you because you were supposed to be hold-
ing those sticks tight enough so that, at any
moment, he couldn't pull them out of your
hand. His motto was, 'Practice tight, so
that you can play loose.' It really
worked."

Thought it's intersting to know Stone used pillow .
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gobarr
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« Reply #31 on: August 25, 2004, 11:37 AM »

I've always heard it opposite that.  For example quoting from Tiger Bill's website talking about the "Gladstone technique" :  

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With the Gladstone system, you should hold your drumsticks tight enough to prevent them from flying out of your hands and no tighter.

and later he says,

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Don't worry if a stick flies out of your hand once in a while. If this happens, you're using the Gladstone technique correctly! If the sticks never fly out of your hands in practice, either you're a natural with the Gladstone technique, or (more likely) you're holding your sticks too tight.

Now I realize George is talking about just practicing in general and not using any specific technique,  but it just seems contrary to what I've come to understand lol.  Perhaps training holding the stick tight will allow you to master the "Gladstone" technique much quicker by teaching you to relax later.....?  


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« Reply #32 on: August 25, 2004, 11:53 AM »

I've always heard it opposite that.  For example quoting from Tiger Bill's website talking about the "Gladstone technique" :  and later he says,Now I realize George is talking about just practicing in general and not using any specific technique,  but it just seems contrary to what I've come to understand lol.  Perhaps training holding the stick tight will allow you to master the "Gladstone" technique much quicker by teaching you to relax later.....?  

I think the main initial lesson is 'relax!' It's much harder to correct this down the line. As you develop a good, RELAXED grip, the sticks will stop flying around as you hands learn how to manage things. Uncontrolled tightness is always the enemy.
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