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Author Topic: Does anyone past middle age really cut it?  (Read 7268 times)
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« Reply #140 on: November 17, 2006, 01:14 PM »

Wow.

I made my post at the top of this page (page 7) almost 2 years ago. Now I'm pushing 42.

After thinking about this for two years, I've concluded that two things are at work here.

The first one is about the artist. An artist who is struggling to make ends meet, pushing to get their work recognized, sleeping on couches courtesy of the kindness of strippers, etc., tend to put more passion into their work that a millionnaire who has achieved a great level of success.

The other is about the listener/fan. They experience these early works and have an imprint of what this artist is about. Even if the artist can overcome their inner squishiness to grow and evolve, the listener doesn't want anything to do with it. "Just play the old stuff and make us happy" is the chant.

Nobody wants to hear the new Stones song. They want to hear "Satisfaction."

Maybe, on some level, the artist has issues. But what about the fans?
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« Reply #141 on: November 17, 2006, 01:39 PM »

LOL.
I saw that news story a few weeks ago.
It turns out that component is so small, you'd have to drink a gallon or two of red wine everyday to see any benefit.
Of course, there are other implications to drinking a gallon of red wine everyday.  Shocked

the gallon-of-wine thing was with respect to weight loss. one portion of the study focused on overfeeding the mice and giving them this drug; those that got it either lost weight or just didn't gain. I could dig that. supposedly, the doc who ran the study is popping resveratrol like it's going out of fashion. 'course, he didn't say if he's living longer or not.

drumwild, you make a good point about the audience. probably because they latch onto certain musical moments that parallel certain lifetime memories, they are less open to seeing the artist evolve. it's hard to say, though, coz I think so long as the artist is recognizable in some manner, they'll stay hooked. I certainly like to see some of my favorite artists taking a chance, so long as the outcome is good. not that I'm a huge fan of hers, but I respect madonna for this (evolving and working to stay relevant). [even though I got annoyed when she started playing guitar during her shows. puh-leeze. Roll Eyes]

I hesitated to say this, but I also think a lot of this boils down to talent/knowledge. if you only have a limited palette available to you, you can only do so much [although admittedly, there's a lot of cool stuff you can do musically, even with constraints...steve gadd surely feels this way]. sometimes it seems artists blow their wad in a moment of inspiration on that first or breakthrough album, be it due to hunger or a true moment of musical fire, then they're incapable of reproducing that with later works. michael jackson was one of the few people that could showcase a sustained musical inspiration...and I think half the reason is coz he's friggin' weird. he lives in his own world and music is his sustenance. I wonder if after people get rich and famous, they really live for the music in that same way. I would imagine it's hard to do that, once you've got diversions like jet planes and jacuzzis.

lastly, I gotta believe a great producer makes a difference, too. I was watching that metallica documentary a few nights ago and their producer [forget his name...a famous one] was talking about how he tried to bring out stuff in the band, because he thought they were lacking in a lot of areas. one big thing he did was fight for a slowed-down tempo in I think it was 'sad but true.' they played a rough cut of how it originally sounded, and it was really cheesy. the laid-back groove made a huge difference in the tune and gave it an edge.  he also really jacked-up the overall sound of the band. made them heavier and more bombastic.

anyhow -- I'm gonna go see chick corea tonight [the leprechaun band] and I'm thinking he'll still be delivering the goods, so perhaps it'll throw a wrench into this argument.


[not that we're arguing, mind you!] Wink
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« Reply #142 on: November 17, 2006, 01:45 PM »


. . .anyhow -- I'm gonna go see chick corea tonight [the leprechaun band] and I'm thinking he'll still be delivering the goods, so perhaps it'll throw a wrench into this argument.


[not that we're arguing, mind you!] Wink

Nice.  Gadd on drums I see.  Have fun - should be a good show!
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« Reply #143 on: November 17, 2006, 02:40 PM »

Nice.  Gadd on drums I see.  Have fun - should be a good show!

egh, shazbaht. both sets are sold out. now I'll have to stand at the bar all night Roll Eyes
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« Reply #144 on: November 17, 2006, 04:54 PM »

they latch onto certain musical moments that parallel certain lifetime memories, they are less open to seeing the artist evolve.

This leads me to think that people don't really like music, so much as they enjoy the nostalgia associated with the song.

sometimes it seems artists blow their wad in a moment of inspiration on that first or breakthrough album

Usually, they have built up this material over a long period of time. After they sign up, they have to create the second album right away and no longer have the luxury of time to write 100 songs and pick out the best 10.
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« Reply #145 on: November 17, 2006, 05:45 PM »

drumwild, I do think people genuinely like music; but if they have a strong life association with a particular song, it just cements that musical memory more firmly. one reason I believe this is coz I've known a few people that've done time. all they had was music to sustain them, and sitting in a cell isn't exactly a great life association. while they wanted to put the time behind them when they got out, they didn't hate the tunes associated with their incarceration.

just a thought.

as for me, I'm now being an official wimp. just decided that I can't deal with standing at a tiny bar for 2 hours. hopefully, I'll get inspired to see the weekend set.

it's tough getting old.
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« Reply #146 on: November 17, 2006, 06:32 PM »

it's tough getting old.

It's not for sissies!!!
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« Reply #147 on: November 17, 2006, 08:14 PM »

Hi Smoggy,
I would have loved to see the show you were going to see.  I got this from your post.
Obstacles are what we choose to see when we lose sight of our goals.
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« Reply #148 on: November 17, 2006, 08:47 PM »

michael jackson was one of the few people that could showcase a sustained musical inspiration...and I think half the reason is coz he's friggin' weird.

I can't put my finger on it exactly, but I think that's an important point.

drumwild, I do think people genuinely like music; but if they have a strong life association with a particular song, it just cements that musical memory more firmly. one reason I believe this is coz I've known a few people that've done time. all they had was music to sustain them, and sitting in a cell isn't exactly a great life association. while they wanted to put the time behind them when they got out, they didn't hate the tunes associated with their incarceration.

When I was doing summer stock theater, I had zero access to music, a telephone, TV, a car - we weren't even allowed to have radios (long story). After a couple weeks I started going a little stir-crazy. About six weeks into it, I climbed up into the sound booth late one night and discovered a cassette tape with Foreigner's "Urgent" on it. That was the only song on the tape, and only the left channel would play, plus I had to listen to it through these old grimy headphones, BUT - I instantly felt better hearing it. I felt like ME again. It was a really big thing at the time. And like you said, I didn't hate the song afterwards, I still like it. That one crummy channel of "Urgent" REALLY helped me get my head back together in an unfamiliar, sensory-deprived situation. It reminded me of who I really was.
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« Reply #149 on: November 20, 2006, 12:28 PM »

Hi Smoggy,
I would have loved to see the show you were going to see.  I got this from your post.
Obstacles are what we choose to see when we lose sight of our goals.
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oh, nutty, now I really feel like a loser!

I totally didn't go. I almost got motivated yesterday, but it was cold out, and I was so craving the comforts of my home and family. spent most of the day drinking hot cider and bonding with my boyfriend and sis. I really needed it. music is meaningless if I don't have that family connection.

I think gadd would forgive me. I hear he's a real homebody, too.

just don't let me hear anyone from dc went [kevin d, do you hear me??], coz then I'll grow frustrated.
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« Reply #150 on: November 20, 2006, 07:59 PM »

oh, nutty, now I really feel like a loser!

I totally didn't go. I almost got motivated yesterday, but it was cold out, and I was so craving the comforts of my home and family. spent most of the day drinking hot cider and bonding with my boyfriend and sis. I really needed it. music is meaningless if I don't have that family connection.

I think gadd would forgive me. I hear he's a real homebody, too.

just don't let me hear anyone from dc went [kevin d, do you hear me??], coz then I'll grow frustrated.
You sound like me when it comes to being a home body.  I don't hardly go anywhere unless we play out.  You are right smoogy, the family comes first in most cases.
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« Reply #151 on: June 24, 2008, 05:37 AM »

I don't think its exactly fair to judge by age -
but its not untrue that everything has a peak.
Either way, every band musician reaches some sort of maximum.

'Their old stuff was so much better'

- sound familiar? Smiley


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