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Title: what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: Metacognition on March 30, 2004, 09:16 AM
every time i go on ebay and type in 'drum set' i get a bazzilion matches. and everytime i type up 'drum kit' i also get a bazzillion........whats the difference?
Title: what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: Mark Schlipper on March 30, 2004, 09:32 AM
Semantics.  
Title: what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: smoggrocks on March 30, 2004, 09:32 AM
what's the difference between a first aid kit and a first aid

oh, wait. that doesn't work.  ::)


i'm bustin' yer hump. it's the same thing.


funny how drum terminology gets weird like that. i'm still trying to figure out how they got to 'sock cymbal.'
Title: what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: Jon E on March 30, 2004, 09:38 AM
drum kit drum set trap set trap kit kick drum bass drum snare drum side drum hihat cymbal sock cymbal mounted tom ride tom rack tom concert tom melodic tom tom hanks lingo lingo lingo.
Title: what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: Nubert Thump on March 30, 2004, 09:45 AM
Drum kit is spelled d-r-u-m k-i-t, drum set is spelled d-r-u-m s-e-t.  That is the difference.
Title: Re:what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: LuvmyLeedy on March 30, 2004, 01:55 PM
premier makes a drum kit.
ludwig makes a drum set. (unless it's really old, then it's a trap set)


actually, it's just english vs american expression.
Title: Re:what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: will_tm on March 30, 2004, 02:02 PM
Quote from: LuvmyLeedy on March 30, 2004, 01:55 PM
actually, it's just english vs american expression.

Which is which?
Title: Re:what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: Mark Schlipper on March 30, 2004, 02:17 PM
Quote from: will_tm on March 30, 2004, 02:02 PM
Which is which?

Id assume from his examples that "kit" is English, and "set" is American.
Title: what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: Mister Acrolite on March 30, 2004, 03:16 PM
In the 70's I heard it called drum SET. Over the years, I heard KIT more and more. I think it started in the UK, but spread over here quickly.

Now I use them interchangably. But I never just say set - I say drum set. On the other hand, I refer to my drums simply as my kit.

There - that should clear everything up!  :-X
Title: Re:what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: dizz on March 30, 2004, 03:33 PM
I would guess Kit comes from the idea of Traps.

Drumsets used to be called traps; short for contraption.  A contraption is a collection of smaller things that serve a purpose.  That's pretty much what kit is.  That isn't necessarily what a set is.  Maybe these contraptions used to be sold as kits?

Nowadays, drums are sold in matching sets.  Back in the day, they were just a collection of a drum or 2 and a bunch of noise makers

Just speculating
Title: Re:what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: SteveR on March 30, 2004, 04:00 PM
All the cool people say "kit"...
Title: Re:what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: Paul L on March 30, 2004, 05:44 PM
Quote from: SteveR on March 30, 2004, 04:00 PM
All the cool people say "kit"...

No, that's not correct.  I normally say "Set"... ;)
Title: what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: bilkay on March 30, 2004, 06:57 PM
A drum set consists of drums and cymbals but a drum kit consists of cymbals and drums.
Title: what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: Sean Welch on March 30, 2004, 07:44 PM
Two letters.

;)
Title: what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: hitman357 on March 30, 2004, 07:48 PM
a drum set has a bucket tom, and a drum kit has a couple pressing circles
Title: Re:what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: James Walker on March 30, 2004, 09:03 PM
Quote from: LuvmyLeedy on March 30, 2004, 01:55 PMactually, it's just english vs american expression.

England and America, "...two countries separated by a common language." - Noel Coward.

(OK, I really just wanted to take this opportunity to get Noel Coward into the Cafe search engine...now that this has been accomplished, I get to work on getting Eddie Izzard into the search engine...)
Title: what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: Roger Beverage on March 30, 2004, 09:09 PM
"Kit" came with the British Invasion of the '60's along with the proliferation of the matched grip.

Roger
Title: Re:what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: epiarch on March 30, 2004, 11:00 PM
Quote from: SteveR on March 30, 2004, 04:00 PM
All the cool people say "kit"...

your wrong...the really really cool people say skins, and the super really really cool people say tubs.... ;D
but i just say set  :(
Title: what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: ritarocks on March 30, 2004, 11:44 PM
same difference.  
Title: what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: sjm1112 on March 31, 2004, 12:05 AM
Quote from: hitman357 on March 30, 2004, 07:48 PM
a drum set has a bucket tom, and a drum kit has a couple pressing circles

But only the REALLY cool ones!
Title: what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: vertijoe on March 31, 2004, 07:45 AM
I used the term "ride tom" in a drum shop, and they looked at me like my head was on backwards.  I guess I'm getting old.
Title: what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: Christopher on March 31, 2004, 07:57 AM
Quote from: bilkay on March 30, 2004, 06:57 PM
A drum set consists of drums and cymbals but a drum kit consists of cymbals and drums.

;D

Folks, we have a winner.

Love it.

Call Merriam Webster.
Title: what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: Christopher on March 31, 2004, 08:04 AM
Quote from: vertijoe on March 31, 2004, 07:45 AM
I used the term "ride tom" in a drum shop, and they looked at me like my head was on backwards.  I guess I'm getting old.

Don't hear that term much at all anymore...

That's akin to going to your local Chevy dealer and asking for a "horseless carriage".  ;)
Title: Re:what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: Mark Schlipper on March 31, 2004, 09:47 AM
Quote from: James Walker on March 30, 2004, 09:03 PM(...now that this has been accomplished, I get to work on getting Eddie Izzard into the search engine...)

You just did.   ;D
Title: what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: vertijoe on March 31, 2004, 10:10 AM
Quote from: Christopher on March 31, 2004, 08:04 AM
Don't hear that term much at all anymore...

That's akin to going to your local Chevy dealer and asking for a "horseless carriage".  ;)


Ouch. Ok, I'm not THAT old.  ::)
Title: Re:what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: Jay Northrop on March 31, 2004, 12:41 PM
I think what we have here is a " whats the difference between a kick drum and bass drum " The only way there can be a difference with anything that I see is heads & skins.Most people play with heads today but a few companies still make skins and thats what was primarily used back in the 50's and before.
Title: Re:what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: Tony on March 31, 2004, 01:24 PM
Quote from: 563 on March 31, 2004, 09:47 AM
You just did.   ;D

Darn, you beat me too it!  
Title: Re:what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: random on March 31, 2004, 03:12 PM
Quote from: 563 on March 31, 2004, 09:47 AM
You just did.   ;D

hahahaha!


i tend to alternate words, i never use the same name for it twice in a row.
Title: what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: Christopher on March 31, 2004, 05:27 PM
Heres another question for you to ponder ladies and gentlemen…

Why do we refer to ourselves as drummers?

In reality, most all of us are really cymbalists, aren't we?

We play way more notes on our cymbals than our drums.

Thoughts?

Comments?
Title: what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: Floyd42 on April 01, 2004, 05:20 AM
Quote from: Metacognition on March 30, 2004, 09:16 AM
every time i go on ebay and type in 'drum set' i get a bazzilion matches. and everytime i type up 'drum kit' i also get a bazzillion........whats the difference?

As english is not my native tongue, I was thinking that the difference between SET and KIT was something like:
"Look at this KIT, this is my SET".

I mean that SET is more personal (something you own) than KIT.

Just my humble and "french" opinion...
Title: what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: Jon E on April 01, 2004, 05:57 AM
QuoteWhy do we refer to ourselves as drummers?

In reality, most all of us are really cymbalists, aren't we?

I guess the most accurate term for us would be;

Multi-percussionists

or just percussionists.
Title: Re:what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: LuvmyLeedy on April 01, 2004, 12:35 PM
a serious drummer would never consider using anything but a DRUM SET! that's because it has the pieces that go together to make a solid professional sound. anything else is just going to get you laughed at. only newbies and white trash would use a DRUM KIT (blech!) you have to put it together yourself and how are you supposed to know how to do that as good as the professional companies that make a DRUM SET.

a SET is solid and sturdy, and you know it's meant for music because when you do a gig, what do you play? a SET! or maybe 2 SETS or more! a KIT would never work in that situation. maybe if you skinned your knee setting up your DRUM SET you could use a first aid KIT.

i hope that makes it clear for everybody. there are some seriously misinformed people passing along bad information on this important point.
Title: what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: Mister Acrolite on April 01, 2004, 12:43 PM
I think Curtis "Cowbell" Jones called his drums a setup. But that's hard to substantiate.
Title: what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: Dave Lemonds on April 01, 2004, 01:14 PM
My Father studied with Curtis in St. Louis back in the 50's, and my dad always uses the term "setup" as well.
Title: what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: Jon E on April 01, 2004, 01:47 PM
"Ladies and Gentlemen, the professor on the drumkit.......!"

from All the World's a Stage-RUSH

Surely the professor knows what it's called!
Title: what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: Christopher on April 01, 2004, 02:17 PM
Quote from: Jon E on April 01, 2004, 01:47 PM
"Ladies and Gentlemen, the professor on the drumkit.......!"

from All the World's a Stage-RUSH

Surely the professor knows what it's called!

Yeah, but that was Geddy saying it. What's he know? He plays bass...  ;D
Title: what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: Jon E on April 01, 2004, 02:36 PM
Estelle Geddy????? ;)

Yeah I know.

Title: Re:what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: chefdoug on April 01, 2004, 10:24 PM
Quote from: LuvmyLeedy on April 01, 2004, 12:35 PM
a serious drummer would never consider using anything but a DRUM SET! that's because it has the pieces that go together to make a solid professional sound. anything else is just going to get you laughed at. only newbies and white trash would use a DRUM KIT (blech!) you have to put it together yourself and how are you supposed to know how to do that as good as the professional companies that make a DRUM SET.

a SET is solid and sturdy, and you know it's meant for music because when you do a gig, what do you play? a SET! or maybe 2 SETS or more! a KIT would never work in that situation. maybe if you skinned your knee setting up your DRUM SET you could use a first aid KIT.

i hope that makes it clear for everybody. there are some seriously misinformed people passing along bad information on this important point.

You sound like a George Carlin fan...
In baseball you play on a diamond
In football you play on the GRIDIRON!!

In baseball you wear a cap
In football you wear a HELMET!!!

and so on.....
Title: Set or Kit, how old are you?
Post by: Roger Beverage on April 05, 2004, 01:34 PM
I have always called it a set , but then, I am almost as old as Curtis Jones.

Roger
Title: Set or Kit, how old are you?
Post by: Mark Schlipper on April 05, 2004, 01:41 PM
I seem to call it a "drumset" or a "kit" (not "drumkit") and Im 31 ... which I guess kinda sticks me in the middle on both counts.
Title: Re:Set or Kit, how old are you?
Post by: SteveR on April 05, 2004, 01:43 PM
This thread is like deja vu.
Title: Re:Set or Kit, how old are you?
Post by: SteveR on April 05, 2004, 01:44 PM
This thread is like deja vu.
Title: what is the difference between a drum SET and a drum KIT?
Post by: Monk Man on April 06, 2004, 09:45 AM
Quote from: hitman357 on March 30, 2004, 07:48 PM
a drum set has a bucket tom, and a drum kit has a couple pressing circles

LOL-easily the funniest e-bay sale ever.