every time i go on ebay and type in 'drum set' i get a bazzilion matches. and everytime i type up 'drum kit' i also get a bazzillion........whats the difference?
Semantics.
what's the difference between a first aid kit and a first aid
oh, wait. that doesn't work. ::)
i'm bustin' yer hump. it's the same thing.
funny how drum terminology gets weird like that. i'm still trying to figure out how they got to 'sock cymbal.'
drum kit drum set trap set trap kit kick drum bass drum snare drum side drum hihat cymbal sock cymbal mounted tom ride tom rack tom concert tom melodic tom tom hanks lingo lingo lingo.
Drum kit is spelled d-r-u-m k-i-t, drum set is spelled d-r-u-m s-e-t. That is the difference.
premier makes a drum kit.
ludwig makes a drum set. (unless it's really old, then it's a trap set)
actually, it's just english vs american expression.
Quote from: LuvmyLeedy on March 30, 2004, 01:55 PM
actually, it's just english vs american expression.
Which is which?
Quote from: will_tm on March 30, 2004, 02:02 PM
Which is which?
Id assume from his examples that "kit" is English, and "set" is American.
In the 70's I heard it called drum SET. Over the years, I heard KIT more and more. I think it started in the UK, but spread over here quickly.
Now I use them interchangably. But I never just say set - I say drum set. On the other hand, I refer to my drums simply as my kit.
There - that should clear everything up! :-X
I would guess Kit comes from the idea of Traps.
Drumsets used to be called traps; short for contraption. A contraption is a collection of smaller things that serve a purpose. That's pretty much what kit is. That isn't necessarily what a set is. Maybe these contraptions used to be sold as kits?
Nowadays, drums are sold in matching sets. Back in the day, they were just a collection of a drum or 2 and a bunch of noise makers
Just speculating
All the cool people say "kit"...
Quote from: SteveR on March 30, 2004, 04:00 PM
All the cool people say "kit"...
No, that's not correct. I normally say "Set"... ;)
A drum set consists of drums and cymbals but a drum kit consists of cymbals and drums.
Two letters.
;)
a drum set has a bucket tom, and a drum kit has a couple pressing circles
Quote from: LuvmyLeedy on March 30, 2004, 01:55 PMactually, it's just english vs american expression.
England and America, "...two countries separated by a common language." - Noel Coward.
(OK, I really just wanted to take this opportunity to get Noel Coward into the Cafe search engine...now that this has been accomplished, I get to work on getting Eddie Izzard into the search engine...)
"Kit" came with the British Invasion of the '60's along with the proliferation of the matched grip.
Roger
Quote from: SteveR on March 30, 2004, 04:00 PM
All the cool people say "kit"...
your wrong...the really really cool people say skins, and the super really really cool people say tubs.... ;D
but i just say set :(
same difference.
Quote from: hitman357 on March 30, 2004, 07:48 PM
a drum set has a bucket tom, and a drum kit has a couple pressing circles
But only the REALLY cool ones!
I used the term "ride tom" in a drum shop, and they looked at me like my head was on backwards. I guess I'm getting old.
Quote from: bilkay on March 30, 2004, 06:57 PM
A drum set consists of drums and cymbals but a drum kit consists of cymbals and drums.
;D
Folks, we have a winner.
Love it.
Call Merriam Webster.
Quote from: vertijoe on March 31, 2004, 07:45 AM
I used the term "ride tom" in a drum shop, and they looked at me like my head was on backwards. I guess I'm getting old.
Don't hear that term much at all anymore...
That's akin to going to your local Chevy dealer and asking for a "horseless carriage". ;)
Quote from: James Walker on March 30, 2004, 09:03 PM(...now that this has been accomplished, I get to work on getting Eddie Izzard into the search engine...)
You just did. ;D
Quote from: Christopher on March 31, 2004, 08:04 AM
Don't hear that term much at all anymore...
That's akin to going to your local Chevy dealer and asking for a "horseless carriage". ;)
Ouch. Ok, I'm not THAT old. ::)
I think what we have here is a " whats the difference between a kick drum and bass drum " The only way there can be a difference with anything that I see is heads & skins.Most people play with heads today but a few companies still make skins and thats what was primarily used back in the 50's and before.
Quote from: 563 on March 31, 2004, 09:47 AM
You just did. ;D
hahahaha!
i tend to alternate words, i never use the same name for it twice in a row.
Heres another question for you to ponder ladies and gentlemen…
Why do we refer to ourselves as drummers?
In reality, most all of us are really cymbalists, aren't we?
We play way more notes on our cymbals than our drums.
Thoughts?
Comments?
Quote from: Metacognition on March 30, 2004, 09:16 AM
every time i go on ebay and type in 'drum set' i get a bazzilion matches. and everytime i type up 'drum kit' i also get a bazzillion........whats the difference?
As english is not my native tongue, I was thinking that the difference between SET and KIT was something like:
"Look at this KIT, this is my SET".
I mean that SET is more personal (something you own) than KIT.
Just my humble and "french" opinion...
QuoteWhy do we refer to ourselves as drummers?
In reality, most all of us are really cymbalists, aren't we?
I guess the most accurate term for us would be;
Multi-percussionistsor just
percussionists.
a serious drummer would never consider using anything but a DRUM SET! that's because it has the pieces that go together to make a solid professional sound. anything else is just going to get you laughed at. only newbies and white trash would use a DRUM KIT (blech!) you have to put it together yourself and how are you supposed to know how to do that as good as the professional companies that make a DRUM SET.
a SET is solid and sturdy, and you know it's meant for music because when you do a gig, what do you play? a SET! or maybe 2 SETS or more! a KIT would never work in that situation. maybe if you skinned your knee setting up your DRUM SET you could use a first aid KIT.
i hope that makes it clear for everybody. there are some seriously misinformed people passing along bad information on this important point.
I think Curtis "Cowbell" Jones called his drums a setup. But that's hard to substantiate.
My Father studied with Curtis in St. Louis back in the 50's, and my dad always uses the term "setup" as well.
"Ladies and Gentlemen, the professor on the drumkit.......!"
from All the World's a Stage-RUSH
Surely the professor knows what it's called!
Quote from: Jon E on April 01, 2004, 01:47 PM
"Ladies and Gentlemen, the professor on the drumkit.......!"
from All the World's a Stage-RUSH
Surely the professor knows what it's called!
Yeah, but that was Geddy saying it. What's he know? He plays bass... ;D
Estelle Geddy????? ;)
Yeah I know.
Quote from: LuvmyLeedy on April 01, 2004, 12:35 PM
a serious drummer would never consider using anything but a DRUM SET! that's because it has the pieces that go together to make a solid professional sound. anything else is just going to get you laughed at. only newbies and white trash would use a DRUM KIT (blech!) you have to put it together yourself and how are you supposed to know how to do that as good as the professional companies that make a DRUM SET.
a SET is solid and sturdy, and you know it's meant for music because when you do a gig, what do you play? a SET! or maybe 2 SETS or more! a KIT would never work in that situation. maybe if you skinned your knee setting up your DRUM SET you could use a first aid KIT.
i hope that makes it clear for everybody. there are some seriously misinformed people passing along bad information on this important point.
You sound like a George Carlin fan...
In baseball you play on a diamond
In football you play on the GRIDIRON!!
In baseball you wear a cap
In football you wear a HELMET!!!
and so on.....
I have always called it a set , but then, I am almost as old as Curtis Jones.
Roger
I seem to call it a "drumset" or a "kit" (not "drumkit") and Im 31 ... which I guess kinda sticks me in the middle on both counts.
This thread is like deja vu.
This thread is like deja vu.
Quote from: hitman357 on March 30, 2004, 07:48 PM
a drum set has a bucket tom, and a drum kit has a couple pressing circles
LOL-easily the funniest e-bay sale ever.