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« Last post by Nick on February 21, 2016, 02:35 PM »
I would love a suggestion, thank you.
I am at my house in Missoula, Montanna at the moment, so USA contacts are perfect.
I own a DW Black piano finish Fast Tom Kit with die cast hoops from the 90's; 10-12-14-16-20 kick. Hardware is very easy to replace. Durable built like a tank with a loud, punchy, wide open overall sound with a dance band attack, this kit can take a beating and still comes up stellar. Great for Rock n Roll, Reggae, African and Latin music. A working mans kit for sure. I have implemented so many tom heads on the DW's, and it has been very challenging to say the least. I keep going back to Evans G1 or 2 as a lighter single ply head like a Remo Ambassador, do not accommodate well to the DW's. I call DW's, Ayottes and Phatties that I own, the BIG BOOM BOOM KITS.
I own two SONOR Designer Bubinga kits one Birch one Light Maple. Birch 12-14-18 kick with 14x6.5 snare and the Maple 12-13-16-18 kick. The Sonors are a quieter Controlled sound kit overall. All very durable and sturdy but with a higher quality custom furniture finish and very precision and heavy hardware but parts are very difficult to replace and or order and don't let me forget the SONOR non standard drum key (very weird). The sound is certainly wonderful for vintage jazz, R&B, Blues, New Orleans or really any genre of music including theater, dance company music or church/synagogue settings. The SONORs have a brighter tom sound, tuned to pitch similar to the 50's jazz standard of tuning, they are awesome sounding. I use Remo Ambassadors and frankly they are unusually astounding sounding on these kits. My 1965 Slingerlands have a similar sound but a bit louder with of course the vintage flimsy hardware that was standard back in those days. From about 1969 to 1980's I had to tie my kick drum to my drum throne because there was no way it would ever stay in place with my wild bronco drumming approach.
So to conclude DW big-loud-great hardware-difficult to tune-reliable-tuning more limited. SONOR quieter sound-beautiful tone-pitch oriented-artistic look-great hardware but difficult to replace-easy to tune-generally more flexible tuning capability! In conclusion I found the kick drums of both brands very easy to tune and accommodate as well as the snare drums.
Does this help?
Good Luck Amigos
« Last post by Bart Elliott on February 17, 2016, 10:23 AM »
I don't play Tombak specifically, but I do play a number of other goblet drums.
I think you are on the right track in regards to striking the drum while applying pressure and releasing, giving the pitch bend effect.
Now, this isn't the way he is doing it, but the sound you are talking about can be achieved in another way, which I will explain, only so you can get the sound... then see how you might get the same sound using the one hand technique this guy is using... which is amazing by the way.
To achieve the sound with two hands you would use one hand to "zone off" a small area of the playing surface, lightly touching the head while striking the drum with the other hand (ie. finger). To create the pitch bend, you increase the playing surface area which you zoned off by sliding the hand away from where you struck. Hope that makes sense.
I'm wondering if this effect on the Tombak could be achieved with one hand by striking the drum as you've said, but only one finger is striking while another finger (same hand) is lightly touching to create that harmonic sound (which I described earlier). What I'm thinking is something similar to the TA stroke on tabla ... more specific the dayan (small drum) ... where you lightly touch the edge of the head with the ring/picky fingers while striking the drum with the index finger.
By the way, I would love to own a Tombak drum, as well as learn to play it. Do you have any suggestions on where I could purchase a high quality Tombak in the USA?
« Last post by FusionTech on February 12, 2016, 12:14 PM »
Hello my fellow percussion & drummer friends. I am new to this forum. I hope this forum is nice and active.
I have been preforming and cultivating various fusion hand-drumming techniques for a while now. I enjoy Indian fusion (Carnatic) techniques on the djembe, and preform on the tombak (Iranian) drum, amongst other drums as well.
Currently I'm really digging into the Tombak and its amazing array of technique and sound possibilities.
Getting an answer to the question I have may be a bit of a long shot, I dunno how many on this forum are versed in the Tombak drum, but perhaps someone out there has practiced this technique, or heard of it-or maybe implemented something like it on another drum/instrument.
So first--please watch this video, particularly the first 30 seconds of his awesome solo:
You will notice that at 4-5 seconds he does a unique technique (and gets a unique high pitched sound) where he uses his wrist to put pressure on the rim of the Tombak, whilst the ring finger hits the skin head. The tombak is a very capable drum in regards to pitch adjustment, so much that the wood body of the drum can be squeezed to manipulate the tone as you can see/hear in the video.
So my question (which is sorta a long shot for an answer)---does anyone have any more input on the technique he preforms at the 4-5 second mark? Any hints/tips/tricks to produce that sound? I've attempted to emulate what he's doing there, but not getting quite the same results. lol
Thanks for ANY input whatsoever.
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There are a lot of individuals and businesses that specialize in vintage gear. I would try contacting some of them to see if they might have some you can purchase.
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« Last post by Nick on January 06, 2016, 01:48 PM »
I recently picked up a set of 1980's Ludwig Rockers for my USA house (all my other drums are in my UK studio)
It has 4 machine screws missing from the kick drum spurs, I have measured the thread & they are the highly unusual 10-28.
Is there anywhere that sells these or do I need to make some?
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