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General Board / Re: I'm New Here ... (introduce yourself)
« Last post by Dirk Johannes Swanepoel on December 08, 2015, 09:15 AM »
Hi, My name is Dirk as you can see. I'm a South African in a small town drumming for (lost count) been teaching for about 5 Years. I like artistic solos and solid grooving. It will be nice if this is a legit forum with seasoned players to discuss different approaches to success.

General Board / New Member Checking In!
« Last post by Carson Lowther on November 25, 2015, 01:15 PM »
Hey guys, my name is Carson and I'm from Salinas CA, I play in a band called 808: Disturbing the Peace and have been playing for about 2 years. Our bass player went to the Berklee College of Music for a semester but he just recently moved back because "he wasn't being challenged enough" there so 808 is back together and we just recorded a 4 song demo and are getting back into the show scene as we speak! I played a PDP Double Drive 8 piece kit but I think I'm gonna go back to my Ludwig for ease of literally everything, Aquarian heads all around, Axis A21 Laser pedals, ProMark sticks, and I am endorsed by Soultone Cymbals. Looking forward to being a part of the community!
Gear / Equipment / Instruments / Re: Status of Soundest Drum Stool Company
« Last post by Bart Elliott on November 09, 2015, 06:08 AM »]SoundSeat is still in business. After JR Baker's passing, JR's wife, Bretta Baker, has kept the business going.
Gear / Equipment / Instruments / Status of Soundest Drum Stool Company
« Last post by VickHick on November 08, 2015, 01:28 PM »
I haven't been to the Cafe for quiet a while, but i have a question that I know is near and dear to Bart's heart.  What happened to the Soundseat Drum Stool company after Mr JR Baker passed away.  Nothing has been taken off the internet and I was wondering if someone had taken over the business and the Soundseats (Best Drum Seat ever made !!) are still being made.  I have had some serious medical problems and never thought i would play again, but would really like to try and get one for my church.
Today, November 6, is J.C. Deagan's birthday (1853-1934) ... founder of the Deagan company, makers of fine mallet percussion instruments.

I thought I'd share an old video of mine, a recording from 30 years ago -- the final piece I performed during my junior recital back on May 4, 1985 (just a month before my 21st birthday). In the video, I'm playing on a 4-octave Deagan Xylophone (c.1908) which I no longer own but thoroughly enjoyed; what a beautiful sounding and looking instrument!


"Tambourin Chinois" (Chinese Drum) was original composed for violin by Fritz Kreisler. This arrangement is by legendary xylophonist, George Hamilton Green.
I would not expect any significant weight savings from cutting two inches off the 14" tom.  Floor tom legs weigh next to nothing, so I can't see any gains (in weight loss) going to a mounted tom.  But if you're considering chopping it down because you'd simply rather have an additional mounted tom, well, that's different.  If 14x10 was good enough for Bonham (and others), then it's likely good enough for us.  ;)

As Bart mentioned, it may depend on the brand/series of drums as to whether it's worth cutting down.  I had two Tempus toms cut down as I'm not a power tom kind of guy.  13x13 and 14x14 as mounted toms is just too deep.  They turned out great, but I ended up with an extra hole due to repositioning of the badge.

If you decide to cut it down, be sure to look at all measurements.  Cutting two inches off likely means one of the lug screw holes (if mounted w/ two screws) comes off with the discarded piece of the shell.  You need to determine if the remaining hole will be too close to the bearing edge to be of any use.

I also have an ailing back and have looked to cut weight.  For me the biggest improvements have been using a smaller kit (e.g., 4-piece) and using quality hardware that doesn't weigh a ton.  I started using a cymbal arm that attaches to another stand in lieu of a separate stand.

If you're interested in lightweight drums, the lightest I've come across are Baltimore Drum Co. thin-shelled maple with billet aluminum lugs.  Tempus (fiberglass) might be less weight if it wasn't for the their coffin lugs, which are very stout and amazingly heavy.  I think the new partner at Tempus is offering more lug options to keep the weight down.
General Board / New Video
« Last post by Mark Dalzell on October 15, 2015, 04:59 PM »
Hi Guys,

New video from John Abraham playing a 3:4 ostinato with some creative ideas on top.

Before you start cutting a drum to reduce it's depth, there are a few things to keep in mind.

There is more science behind the diameter and depth of a drum than you might think. I don't think you are going to be happy with a 14x10 tom tom ... going from a 14x14. Decreasing the depth of the shell also decreases the potential to tune the drum low. What I'm saying is that a 14x14 has the ability to sound deeper/lower/fuller than a 14x10. It's going to be different.

I would also look into the cost of just purchasing a new drum with size you need.

I don't know what kind of drums (eg. brand/model) we are talking about, but it might even be wiser to just sell the kit as is ... then take the money and purchase a drumkit that suits your needs.

As soon as you start cutting on a drum, you reduce it's value in the market. If the drums are junky, then the opposite could be true; you may increase the value.

I'm glad you are taking the time to think it through, rather than just diving in and cutting the drum.

One last thought ... how about reducing your set-up? I assume you have some mounted toms, so what about just not using the 14x14 or 16x16 in your set-up? Lots of great music has been made with a 4-pc set-up; one mounted tom and one floor tom.

Personally, I would reduce my set-up or get a different drumkit before I would cut on a drum. Again, that is without any knowledge of what kind of drumkit you own.

As a kid, I ruined a classic Ludwig drumkit by removing the red sparkle wrap and re-wrapping it in black. While I was pleased at the time, when it came time to sell it, I didn't get the $$$ I could have received. Now that I'm much (much) older and wiser, I wish I had never re-wrapped the drums ... because I ruined a piece of history. The now vintage kit is essentially worthless because of my "handiwork".

I realize you are talking about having a true craftsman do the work, but you are still taking a drum and drastically altering it from its original intent.

Floor toms can have more wood plies and mounted toms. If this is true for your 14x14, then the additional plies will work against you when you reduce it to a 14x10. Again, don't know what kind of drums we are talking about, but it is something to find out more about.
This might sound mad, but for ergonomic reasons (ailing back) I need to change my set up from having two floor toms 14x14 and 16x16 so that I have only one FT. The keeper being the 16 x16.

So, has anybody any thoughts on having a professional percussion/ drum tech to cut the 14 x 14 down to a 14 x 10 so that I can hang it? All bearing edges will be per spec, the whole thing will be done by a craftsman.

But before I invoke this drastic measure thought I'd get any feedback from those who have been there before.

Gimme what you got my friends, I'm open to any and all options.


Attention, Gretsch drum fans living in the Chicago area! Fred W. Gretsch, fourth-generation representative of the Gretsch Family, will make a rare personal appearance at the]Chicago Music Exchange  this coming Thursday, October 1 to celebrate his 50th year in the music business.  In addition to meeting fans and signing autographs, Fred will talk about the history of the Gretsch Company (which had offices in Chicago from the 1920s through the ’60s), the instruments the company makes, and the artists that have played those instruments over the past several decades.

There’ll also be musical performances, including guitar star Paul Pigat and his band Cousin Harley, who'll play an eclectic set of rockabilly, country, swing, and blues. Drummer Jesse Cahill will anchor the trio on a great Gretsch drumkit.

The event starts at 6:00 p.m., with product giveaways throughout the evening. The Chicago Music Exchange is located at 3316 North Lincoln Avenue in Chicago. Space is limited; go to]  to rsvp, or call 888-686-7872 for more information.
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