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Title: The most influential drummers...
Post by: rlhubley on August 27, 2002, 11:55 AM
I'd like to find out who you all think are the most influential drummers(not neccessarily directly to yourelf)  You each get 3 answers



Here's Mine:
1. Roy Haynes - This guy influenced the master jazz drummers and was doing a lot of what "they" do before "they"started doing it!
2.  Tony Williams - Constantly this guy is rated as a major influence
3. Buddy Rich - need I say more??
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: sois on August 27, 2002, 12:30 PM
Jeff Porcaro
Matt Cameron
Danny Carey
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: rlhubley on August 27, 2002, 12:50 PM
Jeff is a BIG influence on a LOT of drummers, so I agree with you there.

I really am a big fan of both of the other ones you listed, but question their overal influence.
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Mark Schlipper on August 27, 2002, 12:54 PM
i have no clue.  i am only me and not all drummers.  my guess is your top three would vary from genre to genre.  ask 100 jazz guys, and theyd probably have different answers from the 100 rock guys and 100 metal guys etc.  
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Andrew on August 27, 2002, 01:12 PM
Gene Krupa -- the first "sex symbol" drummer. ;) (Seriously, this guy scared parents.)

John Bonham -- big fat guy, big fat groove.

Neil Peart -- honestly, how many rock drummers do you think were first inspired to get out of four-on-the-floor when they heard "2112?"
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: pipster on August 27, 2002, 06:44 PM
Gene Krupa                                                                 Kieth Moon                                                                       Stu Copeland     ..if I could have another it would be the drummer out of Buddy Holly's Crickets (the one playing on "peggy Sue" )  No Honest !!  they all broke the rules and set us free
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Fireftr125 on August 27, 2002, 08:58 PM
Bonham, Buddy Rich, David Garibraldi.
That covers three diferent styles
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: DirtBomb on August 27, 2002, 09:44 PM
Tony Williams, Bonzo, Portnoy
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Sykotik on August 27, 2002, 09:58 PM
Vinnie Coliauta, Chad Smith, Stanton Moore
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Nomad442 on August 27, 2002, 11:40 PM
1. Anton Fig - CBS orchestra David Letterman
2. Stewart Copeland - Police- Oysterhead
3. Clyde Stubblefield - James Brown
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: 98mmonaghan on August 28, 2002, 03:24 AM
Portnoy
Bozzio
Peart
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: rlhubley on August 28, 2002, 07:20 AM
I guess what I am asking is not all that clear.  There is a post already about what drummers influence YOU, I would like to know what drummers you think are the most influential across the board.  For instance, someone mentioned Stanton Moore.  This is truly one of my favorite drummers, he is great.  However, he is a new drummer and has only just started influencing drummers.  HE was influenced by Johnny Vidacovich, another NOLA drummer.  Gene Krupa on the other hand influenced tons and tons of drummers who in turn influenced others who in turn influenced others and ......

Vinnie, another favorite of mine.  IN fact if i HAD to pick one favorite he would probably be it.  However, you can clearly hear Tony Williams in his playing, and you can also hear some Stewart Copeland.

Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Tony on August 28, 2002, 09:20 AM
rlhubley,

Your thread topic is certainaly open for interpretation, and I understand the point of where you are going.  But other (especially younger) drummers may not be  educated or experienced enough to grasp the enormity and scope of your question.   Influential in what way?  Ringo Starr certainly influenced 1000's of people to become drummers, many who are highly succesful right now.  Buddy Rich was another, as was Gene Krupa.  But these people influenced drumming by exposing it to millions of people, and becoming superstars in their own right.  Chick Webb or Baby Dodd are some of the first percussionists to play a makeshift drumset arising out of the needs of vaudeville orchestra's, so is their influence greater or less than the aformentioned folks?  Elvin Jones summed it by saying if you want to understand the way your influence plays, you have to dissect what influenced him and what influenced those people, etc.  Sure, you can hear Tony Williams in Vinnie's playing.  Maybe Vinnie would say he is one of the most influential drummers in history, but I'll bet Tony Williams would disagree.  Please don't take my post as criticism or in an argumentative way, but in the spirit of debate.  After all, this is a loaded question that will no doubt cause lots of arguments  :)
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Mark Schlipper on August 28, 2002, 10:11 AM
hence my original reply :)
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Jim Martin (cavanman) on August 28, 2002, 10:52 AM
I find that I can't truthfully give an answer to this and feel satisfied.
 ???

The difficulty of this thread is that 1) it's limited to 3 drummers - that's almost impossible to nail down even if you limit the discussion to one style and 2) as similarly noted by RLH, answers might (incorrectly) seem either 'out of touch'** by referencing players who have never been heard of by younger or possibly less experienced players [like Baby Dodds or Chick Webb] or seem (incorrectly) naive** by mentioning only really current players (such as Portnoy, Carey).

{**Please note I'm not saying anyone is 'out of touch' or 'naive' - just that anyone could judge some of answers incorrectly by their own age, life experiences, etc. I include myself in that group also)**

The drumset has a long history that started out as a way to save money on multiple percussionists (early ex. Stravinsky!) and has now flowered into one of the most varied methods of musical expression today. There's a lot of places that major turns in style and approach have happened so....maybe someone else can limit their answer to three...but I'll just still be the hyper kid in class straining at holding up my arm to answer and saying "BUT...BUT!!!...
 :)


Jim
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: rlhubley on August 28, 2002, 11:27 AM
First of all, I would like to say that I am always up for debate.  Secondly, this is definitly a tough question, and one that your answer might change daily or more.  The point of the topic was to sort of trace our own influences back and get some sort of drumming family tree.  
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Fireftr125 on August 28, 2002, 08:29 PM
HE was influenced by Johnny Vidacovich, another NOLA drummer.  

Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Fireftr125 on August 28, 2002, 08:32 PM
You actually know who Johnny Vidacovich is??? I studied with him for a while, and He never gets any credit. I cant believe anyone outside of N.O. actually recognizes him as a force in drumming.
But, I have to disagree with you, Stanton dosent resemble vidacovich's playing at all, If anyone Id have to say Ziggy Modelstie from the meters.
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Daddy0 on August 28, 2002, 08:51 PM
Not that I think he was a really great drummer, but when I was a kid with my first set of drums, I played along with Led Zeplin's first album until I could play everything Bonham played, note for note.

So in the big scheme of things Bonham was not the most influential, but I always tell people that he taught me how to play.

Other influences:
Billy Cobham (ala Mahavishnu Orchestra)
Ginger Baker (back on the old live Cream recordings)

And, yes, I too am a big Peart fan!
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: rlhubley on August 29, 2002, 10:18 AM
Vidacovich is mentioned anytime Stanton talks about his influences.  Yea, he does resemble Ziggy a bit more, but I hear some Vidacovich in there too.

Bonham is a GREAT drummer, and I agree was a HUGE influence on tons and tons of drummers.  He is the epitomy of a rock drummer.
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: asiandrummer on August 29, 2002, 11:52 AM
Peart, Daven Raun, and Derrick Plourde
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: mrdrums on September 18, 2002, 01:19 PM
Chick Webb
Gene Krupa
Buddy Rich
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Carlos Benson on September 20, 2002, 11:17 PM
I thought it was a simple question myself  :P...

1) Buddy Rich
2) Ringo Starr
3) Danny Seraphine

There all just personal choices. ;)
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: tamboricua on September 21, 2002, 09:22 AM
The father of Songo:


José Luis Quintana Fuerte "Changuito"



Saludos, Jorge Ginorio  ;)


Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: inanna on September 29, 2002, 05:38 AM
In no particular order -

Buddy Rich
Steve Gadd
John Bonham

Personal influences -

Dave Weckl
Terry Bozzio
Peter Blick
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: GrohlHawkins on October 19, 2002, 07:40 PM
Dave Grohl
Taylor Hawkins
Stewart Copeland
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Paul DAngelo on October 19, 2002, 08:06 PM
Daddy0 - Just saw your mention of Ginger Baker in the old Cream LIVE recordings.  He was something else.  You also mentioned Cobham, who I saw with Mahavishnu three times.  The first time I saw them, I was literally stunned by their intensity.
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: MUSIKxDRUMR on October 19, 2002, 08:17 PM
My Influence:
-Chad Sexton
-Virgil Donati
-Dave Ellis
-Rodney Holmes

Close Behind
-Stewart Copeland
-Billy Cobham
-Mitch Mitchell
-John Bonham
-Neil Peart
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: AnthonyS on October 19, 2002, 08:25 PM
For me...

I dig: Mitch Mitchell, Peart and K. Moon.  They are my 3 fav.  Of course there are others.  

Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: agogobil on October 19, 2002, 10:35 PM
Gene Krupa

Kenny Clarke

Alan Dawson

*********************
(for me, Art Blakey, Elvin Jones, and the "yankee snayh drummah" on Stan Freberg's "Yellow Rose of Texas")
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: jon26 on October 19, 2002, 11:43 PM
Mitch Mitchell
Carter Beauford
John Bonham
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Paul DAngelo on October 20, 2002, 10:33 AM
YEAH.  Two more for Mitch Mitchell, the seemingly forgotten storm behind Jimi Hendrix. !!
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: perkeyset on October 20, 2002, 05:00 PM
The one and only  -Tre Cool-
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Tkitna on November 09, 2002, 02:59 AM
I think the three most influential would be-
1. Buddy Rich
2. Ringo Starr
3. Jon Bohnam

My Favorites-
1. Ringo(big beatle freak)
2. Phil Ehart
3. Jim Gordon
4. Alan White
5. Ansly Dunbar
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Thrak on November 09, 2002, 07:16 PM

Bill Bruford  -  I can't believe he hasn't been mentioned yet!
Bill Ward  -  Practically the first modern metal drummer!
Ginger Baker/Keith Moon  -  too hard to pick between!

I'd say those are pretty big influences to the drummers that currently influence me.


Thrak
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: BretScherm on November 09, 2002, 11:07 PM
In terms of modern drumming (last century or so) it's gotta be:
1.) Gene Krupa
2.) Buddy Rich
3.) This ones tricky...cause bonham was influencial in such a massive way to rock drumming and what it is today, with out him I honestly don't think drumming would be the same.  At the same time Ringo totally invented rock drumming as a whole.  And then you got gadd who incorporates so much into his playing and has inspried a lot of today's greatest players  (Weckl, Beauford etc.) who wouldn't be playing the way they do with out his influence.  And there are so many more, like Elvin Jones, Stewart Copeland, Tony Williams, Billy Cobham that it really is hard to pick a third after the two i mentioned above.
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Ratamatatt on November 11, 2002, 02:30 PM
In this order:

1. Buddy Rich

2. Steve Gadd, and

3. Neil Peart (even if I don't care for his style0

Ratamatatt
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Drumlooney on November 11, 2002, 02:34 PM
for me:

Joel Rosenblatt

Dave weckl

Alex Acuna

Horacio Hernandez

Omar Hakim
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: sidereal on November 11, 2002, 03:08 PM
Hmmm... I guess I missed this topic the first time around.

General Big 3:

Tony Williams
Jeff Pocaro
John Bonham

Personal Big 3:

Stewart Copeland
Terry Bozzio
Jeff Pocaro

Man, it's tough to limit it to three. :) I don't feel right not having Bill Bruford (personal) or Neil Peart (general) up there.

Seems there's a lot of drummers in people's lists who have only been around for the last 10 years or so. I think that's fine when saying who influenced your own personal growth. But I don't think you could say in a general sense that anyone who got their start after 1990 is a person of significant influence. History hasn't revealed that to us yet.

Not trying to dictate anything, just stating an opinion.
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Mister Acrolite on November 11, 2002, 03:23 PM
Seems there's a lot of drummers in people's lists who have only been around for the last 10 years or so. I think that's fine when saying who influenced your own personal growth. But I don't think you could say in a general sense that anyone who got their start after 1990 is a person of significant influence. History hasn't revealed that to us yet.

I agree with Side's take, although Dave Grohl has certainly had an effect, even in the short time he's been prominent.

I'm going to go a little left of center with my choices - no Buddy or Neil in this list, regardless of their talent or fame:

1. Kenny Clarke - Many consider him to be one of the creators of bebop. I'm personally more familiar with Max Roach's contribution, but jazz historians seem to lean towards Clarke. Without his innovations, most of us might not play the way we do when we play jazz.

2. Hal Blaine - If you listened to an hour of radio in the 60's, you heard at least half an hour of Hal Blaine. He influenced most rock drummers, whether they knew it or not. More people KNEW about Ringo. But more people were LISTENING to Blaine.

3. Steve Gadd - Steve made chops FEEL good, influencing the latest crop of uber-drummers in a big way. Virtually no pop, jazz, or session musician is immune to his influence, bringing the concept of intricate ghost notes blended with a fat, paradoxically simple feel to a new level. Without him there would be no Weckl or Vinnie.

Tough choices. Would have been easier if we'd been allowed five, or ten. But a fun mental exercise!
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Mark Schlipper on November 11, 2002, 03:43 PM
general:

i dont know ... im not the public at large.  and cant really say.  top that off with the fact that im not as familiar with the history as i could be and all i could do was mention names ive heard a lot.  

personal: (i think ive been over this, but i might as well freshen the load)

eddie prevost - redefined the role and capabilities of drums
rashied ali - redefined rhythm and time
david grubbs - hes a guitarist actually.  but his album banana cabbage ... was hugely influential to me (on every instrument).  it proved that there is a lot of depth within a single note if you just let it go and listen.


Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Full Collapse on November 11, 2002, 08:18 PM
Influences to me:

Cyrus Bolooki - NFG

Travis Barker - Aquabats/Blink 182/Box Car Racer/Transplants

Tre Cool - Green Day
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Daddy0 on November 11, 2002, 08:46 PM
Daddy0 - Just saw your mention of Ginger Baker in the old Cream LIVE recordings.  He was something else.  You also mentioned Cobham, who I saw with Mahavishnu three times.  The first time I saw them, I was literally stunned by their intensity.
Pops, I'm just a little envious here -- I've never seen Mahavishnu Orchestra except on an old TV show called "In Concert" that was simulcast on FM radio. I went out the next day and bought Birds of Fire.

Another large influence on my playing was the dynamic duo -- Butch Trucks and J.J. Johanson of the Allman Brother Band. If any of you drummers out there have never listened to "Live at Filmore East" then you really out to give it a try. If nothing else, you will get one serious lesson in dynamics.
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Ernie Durawa on November 11, 2002, 11:06 PM
Johnny Vidacovich is one of the finest drummers I have ever heard...very loose and great grooves.I like his side stick on the floor tom grooves.
Also has a great jazz feel.Maybe next time I make it to New Orleans...I can find out where he is playing.
 :)
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Jim Martin (cavanman) on November 11, 2002, 11:27 PM
Daddy0 - Just saw your mention of Ginger Baker in the old Cream LIVE recordings.  He was something else.  You also mentioned Cobham, who I saw with Mahavishnu three times.  The first time I saw them, I was literally stunned by their intensity.
Pops, I'm just a little envious here -- I've never seen Mahvishnu Orchestra except on an old TV show called "In Concert" that was simulcast on FM radio. I went out the next day and bought Birds of Fire.


Oooo...I remember that show. I loved it beacuse it was 'Pre-MTV- 2-second-camera-shots. You got to really see the guys play. And Cobham was the The Man. Nice memories. Kinda gives awy my age though...
 ;D
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: felix on November 12, 2002, 06:28 AM
The three most influential drummers for me (who I usually sound like)

Tommy Aldridge/
Kenny Arnoff
and in my fusion "gig" I've been said to sound like the one and only Steve Gadd here and there (although that compliment was from a guitar player)

I don't play enough jazz to really sound like anybody but the greatest influence on my jazz playing was Jim Chapin and just plain old rudiments.

I guess I'm "dated" sounding.
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Ratamatatt on November 12, 2002, 09:35 AM
general:

i dont know ... im not the public at large.  and cant really say.  top that off with the fact that im not as familiar with the history as i could be and all i could do was mention names ive heard a lot.  

personal: (i think ive been over this, but i might as well freshen the load)

eddie prevost - redefined the role and capabilities of drums
rashied ali - redefined rhythm and time
david grubbs - hes a guitarist actually.  but his album banana cabbage ... was hugely influential to me (on every instrument).  it proved that there is a lot of depth within a single note if you just let it go and listen.

Mark,

Walk to the nearest wall.  Is it a apolstered.  LOL (Just trying to figure out why you're not part of "the public at large").

Anyway, it is abundantly clear that the posts reflect the poster's general inability to answer the question because they cannot resist the temptation to talk about their personal favourites ie: eddie prevost? rashied ali? david grubbs?  

Mark, I'm sure these are great drummers (even though I've never heard of any of them) But, the most "influential" drummers?  GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

Ratamatatt
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Mark Schlipper on November 12, 2002, 11:27 AM
Mark,

Walk to the nearest wall.  Is it a apolstered.  LOL (Just trying to figure out why you're not part of "the public at large").

didnt say i wasnt a "part" of the public at large ... i said i wasnt the public at large.  i am not all drummers.  therefore i dont know who influenced every drummer and cant say whos name comes up most.  its a math thing.


Anyway, it is abundantly clear that the posts reflect the poster's general inability to answer the question because they cannot resist the temptation to talk about their personal favourites ie: eddie prevost? rashied ali? david grubbs?  

Mark, I'm sure these are great drummers (even though I've never heard of any of them) But, the most "influential" drummers?  GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

Ratamatatt

they are the most influential to MY drumming. thats why i seperated general influences from personal.  a good chunk of these posts listed "drum world" influences (general) as well as the posters own influences (personal) ... i was just following suite.  so why pick on me for it?
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Drumlooney on November 12, 2002, 11:35 AM
I think that there is two ways to read this post,

1. most influential drummers to me personally

2. most influential drummers in general

this is why there is a confusion.  I think most people are putting down who was most influential to them personally, not over all.
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Ratamatatt on November 12, 2002, 11:55 AM
The original question was:

I'd like to find out who you all think are the most influential drummers(not neccessarily directly to yourelf)  You each get 3 answers . . . .

If that's confusing . . .  anyway.  Like I said, we just can't resist the temptation to talk about our personal fave's.  

Ratamatatt
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: felix on November 12, 2002, 11:57 AM
Quote
so why pick on me for it?

Cause the rat has a crush on you.  LOL

Actually I thought your influences were pretty awesome.
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Drumlooney on November 12, 2002, 12:01 PM
yeah ratt but that's too vague, most influential in what style of music?  rock? Jazz?  there are to many types of music and to many drummers to pick three.  And one is going to gravitate to his personal favorites b/c of whatever style they play,  I don't think that Neil Peart was influential to me but it might be for you b/c of the style of music you play.  Tamboricua mentioned changuito, who is a monster, very influential to a lot of latin drummers and percussionist, but I'm pretty sure he was'nt very influential to most of the people here at the forum.

I'm not trying to argue with you, you know I respect your insights but can you see where I'm going with this?
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Ratamatatt on November 12, 2002, 12:29 PM
I don't think that Neil Peart was influential to me but it might be for you b/c of the style of music you play. . .  can you see where I'm going with this?

Listen, my last post reads a bit more contentiously than the humor/irony I was shooting for.  But anyway, the question is straight forward enough and it's a good question that we all would like to have each other's answers to.  I think you made my point about Neil Peart.  I don't care for his drumming at all.  On other threads I all but accused him of being a drum machine that can't keep time.  Yet, I was honest enough to include him in my top 3 (along with Rich and Gadd) 'cause just about every other drummer I know disagrees with me and cites him as a major influence.  

If I were to honestly cite the 3 drummers who most influenced me personally, I doubt anyone would have heard of them because they are not recording artists, they're just local performers and teachers.

Ratamatatt
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Mister Acrolite on November 12, 2002, 12:43 PM
If I were to honestly cite the 3 drummers who most influenced me personally, I doubt anyone would have heard of them because they are not recording artists, they're just local performers and teachers.

Nothing wrong with that - one of my biggest influences was this guy named Herbie who had the drum chair in the high school jazz band before me, some 20-odd years ago. Last I heard, he'd been in and out of jail, and was working as a waiter somewhere, never having played professionally. But he was one of the funkiest players I ever heard, and a major influence on my approach to the drums.

As a fellow South Floridian, I'd be interested to hear who those three influences of yours are!
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Ratamatatt on November 12, 2002, 01:24 PM
As a fellow South Floridian, I'd be interested to hear who those three influences of yours are!

O.K.  Only because you asked.  Alright I confess, I'm dying to talk about my personal influences like every one else.  There, I said it.  I feel better.

1. Lenny Steinberg - great swing feel and attitude.  I'm mostly a swing, bop, big band style drummer because of him.

2. Steve Bagby - My first teacher.  Great BeBop drummer who has played with some big names like Ira Sullivan.  Last I heard he moved to N.Y. - again.  He used to teach private lessons at UM.

3. Idalberto Perdomo - Came from Cuba about 9 years ago.  A freak of nature.  Unnatural independence (he must have a separate brain for each limb).  Amazing power and speed - all from the rists.  Can play double bass and HH with his left foot at the same time.  Complete latin percussionist.  Used to teach at Resurrection Drums on Bird Road.  Recently moved to L.A. because MIAMI IS A CULTURAL WASTELAND.  Taught me a lot about clave, polyrhythms, independence and single stroke rolls.

Ratamatatt
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Mark Schlipper on November 12, 2002, 01:41 PM
i understood the original question just fine and my first reply was (page one of this thread):

"i have no clue.  i am only me and not all drummers.  my guess is your top three would vary from genre to genre.  ask 100 jazz guys, and theyd probably have different answers from the 100 rock guys and 100 metal guys etc.  "

and i stand by that (and repeated myself in my second reply).  at the time there was a seperate thread going for personal influences.  but it fell to the wayside because this thread began to explore both.  and as this thread came back to life it seemed that personal influences were of interest as much as global (scratch that ... north american and western european) influences.  and in the grand scheme of things it makes sense.  how are the three most influential drummers counted ... by the number of people they PERSONALLY influenced.  

if you were going for humor and irony i missed that.  my bad.  nature of the internet beast :)  

oh yeah, and sorry ratamatatt ... im already hitched ;)
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Mister Acrolite on November 12, 2002, 01:45 PM

O.K.  Only because you asked.  Alright I confess, I'm dying to talk about my personal influences like every one else.  There, I said it.  I feel better.

1. Lenny Steinberg - great swing feel and attitude.  I'm mostly a swing, bop, big band style drummer because of him.

2. Steve Bagby - My first teacher.  Great BeBop drummer who has played with some big names like Ira Sullivan.  Last I heard he moved to N.Y. - again.  He used to teach private lessons at UM.

3. Idalberto Perdomo - Came from Cuba about 9 years ago.  A freak of nature.  Unnatural independence (he must have a separate brain for each limb).  Amazing power and speed - all from the rists.  Can play double bass and HH with his left foot at the same time.  Complete latin percussionist.  Used to teach at Resurrection Drums on Bird Road.  Recently moved to L.A. because MIAMI IS A CULTURAL WASTELAND.  Taught me a lot about clave, polyrhythms, independence and single stroke rolls.

Steve is great - the other two I'm not familiar with.

As far as this being a wasteland, be thankful you're not in some podunk town in the midwest, like I was when I grew up!

I don't make it to Miami much, but it used to be you could hear some pretty great drumming around the 2nd street area in Lauderdale: Bobby Thomas, Bobby Economou, John Yarling, Goetz Kujak, Archie Pena, and others - not too shabby. And each year UM has a couple of standout drummers. You could do worse, believe me. It ain't New York, but it ain't hicksville, either!
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Ratamatatt on November 13, 2002, 12:48 PM
Mr. A,

Like I said on another thread called Cultural Wasteland, where I complain that clinicians don't come to Miami despite the abundance of talented young drummers:  GOING TO FT. LAUDERDALE AIN'T COMMING TO MIAMI.

Ratamatatt
Title: Re:The most influential drummers...
Post by: Mister Acrolite on November 13, 2002, 12:59 PM
Mr. A,

Like I said on another thread called Cultural Wasteland, where I complain that clinicians don't come to Miami despite the abundance of talented young drummers:  GOING TO FT. LAUDERDALE AIN'T COMMING TO MIAMI.

I don't know - when an artist comes clear across the country to play in my neck of the woods, I can manage a 30-45 minute drive to go see him. Hell, if you live in Kendall and the artist plays in South Beach, it takes that long to cross over there. The important thing is that they come to South Florida.

When I was growing up in midstate Illinois (walking to school uphill twelve miles through the snow, barefoot)  ;), the closest anybody would come was St. Louis (90 miles away) or Chicago (200 miles away). So I think we've got it pretty good.
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Post by: Mark Schlipper on November 13, 2002, 01:14 PM
try living in asheville N.C.  2 hours to knoxville ... which isnt a major stop for anyone, but an ok college town.  3 hours to chapel hill which is a pretty big stop for most, and 4 hours to atlanta.  i made those latter two drives more often than id like.
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Post by: Ratamatatt on November 13, 2002, 05:22 PM
Ashville?  Knoxville?  Aren't those close to Mayberry RFD?

LOL.
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Post by: Mark Schlipper on November 14, 2002, 12:15 AM
Ashville?  Knoxville?  Aren't those close to Mayberry RFD?

LOL.

yes actually ... no joke ... the town that was mayberry was just outside asheville.  im as proud as prize peaches let me tell ya  ::)  

actually asheville is a great little artsy town in the mountains.  an island of culture.  and has been for quite a while.   ever hear of the black mountain school?  it was just outside asheville in the 40's and 50's ... home to the likes of john cage, merce cunningham, david tudor, etc.  a veritable hotbed of scholarly avant garde activity.

way off topic at this point ... sorry ... accept that john cage is one of my all time biggest heros and influences :)
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Post by: Tae on January 16, 2006, 06:13 PM

Barker, Bonham, Peart.
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Post by: rawdrums22 on January 16, 2006, 10:18 PM
I would have to go with
 Peart-  I mean it is Neil Peart
 Lang- this guy blows me away everytime
 Bonham- Fat beats man
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Post by: lilblakdak on January 17, 2006, 01:49 AM
Most Influencal:
Bonham
Peart
 Starr
My Influences:
Bohnam
Phil Rudd
Vinnie Appice
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Post by: Tae on January 17, 2006, 09:30 AM
Most Influencal:


 Starr

Who?
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Post by: Mark Counts on January 17, 2006, 07:01 PM
Wow,
John Bonham
Neil Peart
Carl Palmer
Carter Beauford
Ansley Dunbar
Bill Buford
Billy Cobham
Greg Bissonette
Johnathan Mover- Anyone that plays with Satriani
Allan White
Tommy Aldridge
And Many Many More!!!
There are lots of drummers that have influenced me.  I am
still finding some.
                 The Nutty Drummer
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Post by: Mark Counts on January 17, 2006, 07:06 PM
I think he means Ringo Starr.  The story goes,  The Beatles had a killer drummer named Peter Best.  He was too much for them so they found Ringo.  I have never been impressed with Ringo Starr's drumming.  But who am I to judge.  He was in the right place at the right time and he was just what they needed.
Then he became rich.  
                                 Nutty
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Post by: Mister Acrolite on January 18, 2006, 09:39 AM
I think he means Ringo Starr.  The story goes,  The Beatles had a killer drummer named Peter Best.  He was too much for them so they found Ringo.  I have never been impressed with Ringo Starr's drumming.  But who am I to judge.  He was in the right place at the right time and he was just what they needed.
Then he became rich.  
                                 Nutty


Pete Best was "too much" for the Beatles? Sorry, but that's NOT the story I've ever heard. Ringo was a top pro on the club circuit the Beatles were playing, and had the playing, the look, and the intelligence to make him a key part of what would become  the most influential band in modern history.

I don't know about you, but I can't find a single Beatles song where the drumming isn't rock solid and tasteful. He was doing hit records in his early 20's that still stand up to critical listening. I can't say that about my own playing at that age, nor about many other drummers other than Tony Williams.

The Beatles were a band the was greater than the sum of its parts, but that's because all four together created a chemistry that would be lacking if even one of them was missing. That's why you'll never hear Paul, George, or John complaining about missing Pete Best. They realized when they got Ringo that they'd found the missing piece of the puzzle who could take them to a higher level. Their success immediately after bringing Ringo into the band would seem to substantiate this.

It's your right not to dig his playing - as with everything, it's all a matter of taste. But I think your Beatles your history is a bit shaky.
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Post by: Rusty Beckett on January 18, 2006, 11:06 AM
Mister A - I've been under the impression that for the early stuff the Beatles recorded they used a studio drummer.  Any truth to that or is it just a rumor?

I agree with you, Ringo might not be a "flashy" drummer but he is a solid one.  

I got my start in drumming by drumming along with Beatles songs back in the early '60s.   If I had started listening to someone like Rush the outcome might be different today . . .  ::)
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Post by: Mark Counts on January 18, 2006, 07:26 PM
Sorry Mr. A,
This is what was tought in my high school about 27 years
ago.  Maybe they got it wrong and I didn't mean to hit a nerve.
I do think that Ringo was solid. He was also part of the chemistry that the 4 of them had.  After all they were the biggest thing of the time. I still listen to some Beatles music but
honestly I was never impressed with Ringo. I am sorry that I made that vocal because they may have had more fans than any band in history and I am sure some people won't like what I said. There are a bunch of very solid Country drummers too but when you ask people who thier Idle was they don't usually mention a bunch of country drummers either.  It is always Neil Peart or John Bonham or maybe Buddy Rich.  I don't think Ringo is really in that group but again that is my opinion.
Again, Sorry if I hit a nerve with you!!!
                 Nutty
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Post by: Mark Counts on January 18, 2006, 10:13 PM
Sorry that I missed this one, "taught"! My wife reminded me!!
I really just play drums because I love it!! Don't ever plan too make it but, I will keep playing music as long as my health let's me
play!! 45 next month and I feel like I am the best I have been in 36 years of playing  I have really put my whole +_+ into it.  That is why people that work with me call me Nutty!!!
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Post by: lilblakdak on January 18, 2006, 11:32 PM
Who?
Ringo
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Post by: KevinD on January 23, 2006, 11:38 AM
Pete Best was "too much" for the Beatles? Sorry, but that's NOT the story I've ever heard. Ringo was a top pro on the club circuit the Beatles were playing, and had the playing, the look, and the intelligence to make him a key part of what would become  the most influential band in modern history.


This is the story I've read as well. Ringo was a well known player whose reputation had extended beyond the Liverpool "Merseybeat" scene. He was quite popular and in demand, even had his own little "shtick" going on with his rings. They looked to him to bring together the final element of professionalism.

Keep in mind, before the Beatles had their first hit, they had years of slugging it out on the club circuit. I believe when they played Hamburg they were doing 3 shows per day for months at a time. They had similar arrangments when they played in other countries and even when they got back home. So I would bet they were sounding pretty darn tight at that point.

Playing all those hours together is going to make a decent band into a great one over time and I'm sure that contributed not only Ringo's but all of their solid foundations.

As far as studio musicians being used (discounting any Bernard Purdie cover up stories) I believe a drummer named Andy White played on an early (single) version of "Love Me Do" but it was later recut with Ringo for the album version. I think Ringo is on the most popular version that most of us have heard.

I have all of this in various books but they are all in storage at this time.
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Post by: cmsrick on January 23, 2006, 12:42 PM
There is no open to interpretation.  If you play drums, you were influenced by Buddy Rich or someone who WAS influenced by Buddy.
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Post by: cmsrick on January 23, 2006, 12:44 PM
Dude, I don't think you heard that story correctly.  Ringo is the most underrated drummer in rock.  The truth is that all rock drumming came from him.
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Post by: DWdrmr on January 23, 2006, 06:57 PM
I just read an article in a Readers Digest that somebody took from a doctors office ::) and had brought to work last week..oh,well, those doctors probably have to throw all those mags out anyway...about the early days of the Beatles. In it, John Lennon is quoted "he(Pete Best) always plays the same thing for every song..thunk, thunk, thunk"...and they had seen Richard(Ringo) playing with..I can't remember the name now, band, which Ringo says "made terrible music, but the guy could dance..and I was making 5Lbs a pop" (that was $27 back then..not bad)
Paul and John drove an hour and a half to where Ringo was staying with the leader and asked him to come outside( the nerve.. but business is business)...and convinced Ringo to come back to London, they wanted him to come WITH them, but, the band leader asked Ringo to finish out..(2 more nights). Paul and John got what they came for and went back to London and had Brian Epstein (the manager) do the dirty work of firing Pete.
Pete later said after being furious, but seeing his fate was sealed, went home and wept.
  Now you can take it or leave it, as always, and I had always heard Pete had been fired...this just substantiated it for me.
But to me, I personally believe that The Beatles wounld not only have been the same without Ringo, they would'nt have, as a band , made the same impact on the music scene, business, and society.And that's a pretty broad statement...
However, I cannot agree with the last statement made that "all rock drumming comes from Ringo"...Larrie Londin comes to mind first of all..there are others. :)
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Post by: Tae on January 23, 2006, 07:29 PM
Ringo

For some reason it seems that I never fail to make myself look stupid :P
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Post by: Tae on January 23, 2006, 07:32 PM
Wow,
John Bonham
Neil Peart
Carl Palmer
Carter Beauford
Ansley Dunbar
Bill Buford
Billy Cobham
Greg Bissonette
Johnathan Mover- Anyone that plays with Satriani
Allan White
Tommy Aldridge
And Many Many More!!!
There are lots of drummers that have influenced me.  I am
still finding some.
                 The Nutty Drummer

There was a few on your list that I would of listed but I think we were only supposed to name 3. You pretty much put what I would of.
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Post by: Mister Acrolite on January 23, 2006, 07:32 PM
For some reason it seems that I never fail to make myself look stupid :P

When in doubt, Google is your friend.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=drummer+starr&btnG=Google+Search[url]
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Post by: Tae on January 23, 2006, 07:39 PM
When in doubt, Google is your friend.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=drummer+starr&btnG=Google+Search[url]

Lol thanks, Well google really hasn't failed me yet  ;D
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Post by: Mark Counts on January 23, 2006, 07:44 PM
Well Guy's,
Thank you for the education.  Guess my 9th grade music teacher was more into her opinion than facts.  We were learning the history of Rock n Roll for one semister.  I think
the Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry, Elvis, and the Beatles stories could have been tarnished by her own feelings but this is what was taught.  I don't know what Peter Best played like but I do know how Ringo plays and it was right for the type of music.
I don't know that he was the father of Rock drummers or anything and the point I ment by saying he was to much was taken out of context.  Try putting Lars from Metallica on an
America album.  Or John Bonham with Pure Prarie Leage.
Means more like the style didn't fit.  I have been known in my early drumming days to over play and if you stick me on a country song now I will over play. I am not suited for Country drumming.  I have been told by players that do both that I am very impressive as a Rock drummer so if the opportunity came
around to play Country music for a living I would keep my day job and pass on it. I like the Beatles and always have but
I am just not a Ringo fan. He gave them what they needed to be the biggest band of the time.  Kind of like, I really like Rush and as a band they are great but I don't really care for Geddy Lee's voice. Sorry if I got under someones skin about this but
I don't think Mr. A likes Geddy's voice either.
                                            Nutty
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Post by: Chris - on January 23, 2006, 08:00 PM
Steve Gadd, Paul Wertico, David Garibaldi
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Post by: basshead70 on January 25, 2006, 01:20 AM
Gene Krupa

Buddy Rich,  Seem him live very cool

Neil Peart
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Post by: baldmann on January 25, 2006, 03:34 AM
Generally speaking: Buddy Rich, John Bonham, Ringo Starr
Personally: John Bonham, Ian Paice, Steve Gadd
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Post by: PJSdrum on January 25, 2006, 11:59 AM
Gene Krupa- brought awareness to the public of the drummer as a musician and soloist. Think of how many non-musicians to this day recognize the Sing, Sing, Sing solo even if they don't know who did it.

Buddy Rich- I can't think of any drummers who haven't given a tip of the hat to Buddy for his style and technique.

Ringo Starr- Like him or not the sheer fact of Ringos playing with the Beatles put more drumsets (especially Ludwigs) into the homes of aspiring musicians around the globe.
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Post by: Mark Counts on January 25, 2006, 12:59 PM
Check out Mike here?
http://drummerworld.com/Videos/mikeportnoysolo.html.
Not crazy about Dream Theater but this solo is pretty cool?
                                   Nutty
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Post by: Mark Counts on January 25, 2006, 01:04 PM
Or maybe Billy?
http://drummerworld.com/Videos/billycobhamhancock.html.
This is one of my personal favorites.
                Nutty
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Post by: Mark Counts on January 25, 2006, 01:06 PM
Or maybe Carter?
http://drummerworld.com/Videos/Carterbeaufordtable.html.
                         Nutty
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Post by: Mark Counts on January 25, 2006, 01:16 PM
Or Maybe Greg?
http://drummerworld.com/Videos/greggbissonettewilliams.html.
   Nutty
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Post by: Mark Counts on January 25, 2006, 01:21 PM
Billy different?
http://drummerworld.com/Videos/billycobhamstern.html.
      Nutty
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Post by: Mark Counts on January 25, 2006, 01:32 PM
Or maybe Buddy Rich.  Man is he fast in this solo?  Aint this fun?
http://drummerworld.com/Videos/buddyrichsticktrick.html.
        Nutty
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Post by: Mister Acrolite on January 25, 2006, 01:40 PM
Please do not feel compelled to list every link that can be found at Drummerworld. Thanks.
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Post by: Ranman on January 25, 2006, 01:45 PM
Awwwww one more! Keith Cronin
http://www.keithcronin.com/music.html
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Post by: Mark Counts on January 25, 2006, 01:48 PM
Sorry Mr. A,
I just thought that Visual was alway's better than Words.  Some new drummer may have never seen Buddy Rich.
                                   Nutty
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Post by: Mark Counts on January 25, 2006, 01:54 PM
Wow Randy,  Thanks,
Mr. A,
What a web site? It is so big, Where can I hear some of your material?
                            Nutty
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Post by: Mark Counts on January 25, 2006, 02:10 PM
Hey Mr. A,
Randy showed me your web site and I guess now I know who you are.  I had no Idea.  I really liked the Monkey's as a kid but don't hold that against me! Never could forget Last Train to Clarksville.  I really played drums to that stuff.  Since I have put some drummers solo links on here, do you have one? I would love to hear it? You used to have some serious hair!!
                                 Nutty
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Post by: DWdrmr on January 25, 2006, 07:40 PM
Gene Krupa- brought awareness to the public of the drummer as a musician and soloist. Think of how many non-musicians to this day recognize the Sing, Sing, Sing solo even if they don't know who did it.

Buddy Rich- I can't think of any drummers who haven't given a tip of the hat to Buddy for his style and technique.

Ringo Starr- Like him or not the sheer fact of Ringos playing with the Beatles put more drumsets (especially Ludwigs) into the homes of aspiring musicians around the globe.

Gene Krupa did that and more..if you read his bio, he practically invented the modern drumset...highhat stand, for sure and many hardware innovations...if it was'nt for him and his association with Slingerland..we would all probably still be playing a "lowboy" ..

Buddy?..what can (can't) you say about this pioneer who brought the drumkit to the forefront of a band setting, ...along with Gene..not bad for an ex-Vaudville performer..how many were forgotten?

Ringo? I like him..second to my cousin,a pro jazz drummer in the late 50's and early '60s...have to say, my second confirmation that I should play drums..
And, yes, along with Ginger, my primary reason to buy Ludwigs...great hardware and drums.