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Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: TaAqPrMaSa on May 17, 2005, 09:09 AM
okay, this might seem like a bad idea but im trying to find a safe whay to set my heads and cymlas on fire. ive been researching paffin and how it burns at a really low heat and i need to do this for a drum solo. it will rock some socks. problem is i dont exactly know what would be the best approach to this. i figured i could throw paraffin in some form everywhere and start it all up with flaming sticks also covered in paraffin. but im worried about splash and the heads. i figured i could put the paraffin on my studio rings since i dont mind if some peices of ten dollar plastic get melted. just not my 30 dollar aquarian heads. i need input! please!
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Bart Elliott on May 17, 2005, 09:13 AM
When I was young and foolish ...  :-\ ... I set my drumheads on fire using Rubbing Alcohol. The only problem was when I applied the alcohol to the Floor Tom drumhead which had dents in it. The alcohol pooled up and thus burned a hole right through the drumhead.

This topic has been discussed a bit in the past. You might want to search the database if you don't get any responses here.
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Stewart Manley on May 17, 2005, 09:21 AM
Are you planning on doing this in public? Because the local Fire Marshal might have a view or two on the matter...  ;)
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Bart Elliott on May 17, 2005, 09:28 AM
Yeah ... I'd be worried about not only the fire marshall and/or burning down the club killing innocent people ... but the burning wax could drip all over you and, well, you hopefully know the rest.

Just blow the audience away with some great drumming; the results will last longer, and it's certainly a lot safer.
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: TaAqPrMaSa on May 17, 2005, 09:43 AM
well its not at a club. its at my schooland im trying to find a way to do it so it doesnt drip but still saves my heads and doesnt burn too hot that it ruins my cymbals. there is going to be great drumming. i just wanted to end my senior year with something awesome thats never been seen there before and show off what ive been good at that nnoone knew much about. i just wanted to end it with a bang but not put one in my wallet. its for the senior banquet and theres a talent show so i signed up.
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Gregg Rivers on May 17, 2005, 09:46 AM
If you set fire to your drums at school, you'll be immediately EXPELLED without question or hesitation! Go buy a good strobe light or two. Don't get kicked out of school and possibly scared for life over a silly drum solo!
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Marcos on May 17, 2005, 09:48 AM
My advice is to be sure you rehearse your act a few times. Have friend with hose at the ready.
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Gregg Rivers on May 17, 2005, 09:52 AM
My advice is to be sure you rehearse your act a few times. Have friend with hose at the ready.

My advice is if you want to graduate with your class and get your diploma is to dump the fire idea all together. I know you think it's a cool idea, but playing with piro without proper training, permission, licensing and equipment is how people get killed. You will be arrested and sent to jail if you set anything on fire at your school my friend! You can take that to the bank!
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: TaAqPrMaSa on May 17, 2005, 09:56 AM
okay, first off i am clearing it with the school., second im using paraffin, it burns at 45 degrees. and if i do do it im going to definitely try it out first. im trying to find the sfest way possible. no exceptions. fire twirlers use paraffin because they dont gvet burned when the screw up so thats probably the safest way to go.
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: Jim Martin (cavanman) on May 17, 2005, 10:00 AM
well its not at a club. its at my schooland im trying to find a way to do it so it doesnt drip but

Yeahhh...ummm :P

Not to get too personal, but if you were a loved one of mine and I heard you were going to try some of this fire stuff..I'd be over your place yelling and screaming at you...perhaps even more.
The recent Great White incident comes to mind,
where people were killed and hurt (including but not limited to band members) with pyrotechnics handled supposedly by people in the know.

I know the feeling of wanting to make a special last stand, but man, fire is really dangerous and causes painful and permanent scarring or death when it gets out of hand. Something that could easily happen in a moment of passionate drumming. Right? So DON'T DO IT. Sorry if that's the Dad in me talking. I just know that there are people in your life who would be devastated by an accident.

Maybe getcha' some of those glow in the dark sticks. That would be cool enough.

Or like Bart said, impress them with your drumming. It's the difference between seeing Thomas Lang or Steve Smith solo - and the end of a a Kiss concert. ;)

IMHO..with love and God Bless! OK?

Jim
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Gregg Rivers on May 17, 2005, 10:03 AM
Fire is fire. It burns. When you put fire on a percussion instrument and strike it, it sprays everywhere. Fire twirlers do their act on the football field OUTSIDE! You can not set fire inside the building with out a licensed pyro-technician and the fire department on the premises. The school will NOT give you permission to set fire to your drums my young friend. Go get some strobe lights and ask them to cut the house lights while you have at it. I happen to have a licensed pyro-tech working with me right here. I ran sound at a fireworks show two weeks ago. Would you like to call him and ask him yourself? Send me your email addy and Ill give you his number.
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: James Walker on May 17, 2005, 10:06 AM
My advice is to be sure you rehearse your act a few times. Have friend with hose at the ready.

NO!

DON'T DO IT AT ALL!!!!

Good God - when did people stop teaching their children that it's a horrible idea to play with fire?

Besides...and I hesitate to mention this, because I don't want to give ANY credibility to the idea of using fire for this "act" - not all fires can be put out with water.  Have you ever seen what happens when you spray water on a grease fire?  It doesn't put the fire out - it just sends the grease flying everywhere, and the grease takes the fire along for the ride.

My advice is to shelve the whole idea of using open flame or accellerants.  There are ways to create visual effects without putting people and property at risk.  It's a stupid, foolish idea.

To our original poster:  you're a senior in high school, which means you must be old enough to remember the fire at the club in Providence a few years back.  Those were (supposed) "professionals" using pyrotechnic elements, and when things went horribly wrong, people died.  Fire isn't something to be treated frivolously - it's dangerous, and it can get out of control in the blink of an eye.

Title: Drums & Fire = Hospital & Jail
Post by: Bart Elliott on May 17, 2005, 10:08 AM
well its not at a club. its at my schooland im trying to find a way to do it so it doesnt drip but still saves my heads and doesnt burn too hot that it ruins my cymbals. there is going to be great drumming. i just wanted to end my senior year with something awesome thats never been seen there before and show off what ive been good at that nnoone knew much about. i just wanted to end it with a bang but not put one in my wallet. its for the senior banquet and theres a talent show so i signed up.

LOL ... yeah, you'll end your senior year with something awesome alright ... a trip to the emergency room from third-degree burns, then straight to jail. Then you'll get to go back to high school once you are released because you were expelled you and never actually graduated.

(http://community.drummercafe.com/Images/emoticons/drummer.gif) + (http://community.drummercafe.com/Images/emoticons/onfire.gif) = (http://community.drummercafe.com/Images/emoticons/police.gif) and no (http://community.drummercafe.com/Images/emoticons/scholar.gif)

Good luck ... and Happy Graduation!

P.S. There is no way the school will even let you do this. Like I said, play well, that and will be enough.

Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Drumlooney on May 17, 2005, 10:10 AM
As much as I love my drums and as much as they cost, I would never even consider bringing fire anywhere near them.  I just don't get it.  If I was to see someone do that I would think "What an Idiot" not "wow he rocks"

Just my two cents
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Gregg Rivers on May 17, 2005, 10:10 AM
I'm ditto with James! Bad bad idea and you should just play! Rent some lighting bro.
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: David Crigger on May 17, 2005, 10:15 AM
The advice you need is that the fact that you are concerned about your $30 heads show you are completely unprepared to deal with the ramifications of such a stunt. Maybe its time to step back and say "Whew! What was I thinking? That was a really dumb idea." and move on.

Movie stunt guys train for years on this stuff and then sweat the details of each gag for days or weeks before attempting them AND THEN GUYS STILL GET INJURED.

I've worked with jugglers and other variety acts that used flame and they all used proven pro rigs and took it very seriously (and still many of them had some ugly scars you could see when you got up close).

You say the drumming's going to be great - then go for it as a drummer and show your talent...as a drummer, not as a wannabe circus act. It would be a shame to lose your talent to scarred up hands and/or a messed up face that you're too bummed to show outside your house.

David
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Gregg Rivers on May 17, 2005, 10:23 AM
okay, first off i am clearing it with the school., second im using paraffin, it burns at 45 degrees.

I've already found a huge flaw in your idea! You are dead wrong about that my friend! Parrafin wax burns at 2,552 degrees fahrenheit. Just dump the fire idea and move on.  ;)
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: TaAqPrMaSa on May 17, 2005, 10:24 AM
id wear a scar, but i wanted to be safe aboiut the whole thing with very low burning paraffin.not flames 2 feet high. the school wouldnt burn the audience wouldnt burn and my drums wouldnt burn and i would never dream of using a liquid because that is a dumb idea. the fire would be around the heads not in the middle and it would be extinguished quickly soon after. i didnt even imagine doing this without school approval first so theres no wory about graduation. this isnt gasoline or alcohol of any sort. but since ive been vehemently fumed against the whole thing i will most likely reconsider.
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: Bart Elliott on May 17, 2005, 10:30 AM
id wear a scar, but i wanted to be safe aboiut the whole thing with very low burning paraffin.not flames 2 feet high. the school wouldnt burn the audience wouldnt burn and my drums wouldnt burn and i would never dream of using a liquid because that is a dumb idea. the fire would be around the heads not in the middle and it would be extinguished quickly soon after. i didnt even imagine doing this without school approval first so theres no wory about graduation. this isnt gasoline or alcohol of any sort. but since ive been vehemently fumed against the whole thing i will most likely reconsider.

I recently worked with an act that used multimedia and pyrotechnics in the show.

The fire marshall in each city we played had to come out and inspect what we planned to do, then we had to demo what we were going to do. Then and only then did the fire marshall approve ... and I believe it cost the act money just to get the fire marshall out there ... not to mention the wasted pyrotechnics that was used for each trial. Keep in mind ... this wasn't even open flames!

It doesn't matter how safe YOU think it is, and it doesn't matter if someone else has done it before. The fact is that YOU have never done it before, have experience to draw from, and you are not trained to do it.

Something that is done outdoors is COMPLETELY different than indoors.

I used to shoot pyrotechnics for an outdoor show back in the early 80's, and the ONLY way I was able to handle the stuff was with the licensed pyrotechnician training me and signing off on each event. He was responsible for following the codes.

So ... I think you are wise to just let it go. I applaud your desire to be creative, but find other methods to do so. Like I said, if the drumming is going to be great ... seeing that you've been playing for as long as you have ... then that should be enough for a high school senior.

By the way ... welcome to the Drummer Cafe!  ;)
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Stewart Manley on May 17, 2005, 10:35 AM
I realise we collectively look like the Square People from the Planet Square, but there's a reason for it. Fire is scary.

If you're set on doing something spectacular (other than displaying your chops and musicality), there are alternatives. Two spring to mind:

1. You can get proper, tested, licensed, approved small scale pyrotechics. These are the sorts of things used in small stage magic acts. Electrically started, they go off with a loud (but safe) bang and a nice flash. There are still rules (minimum safe height above, distance from people, etc). They could be triggered at the end or key points of the solo.

2. Bright stage lights, mounted on the floor, pointing up through your toms. Trigger to flash in time with hits during the solo. Simon Phillips, for example, has his two kick drums lit from the front, and those lights flash while he's doing double-bass work. Looks great. Again, there'll be safety things to think about (lights run hot, strobe effects, spills on hot lights make big bangs and broken glass, and so on). But the kind of lights used for the average "domestic" disco would look great if the house lights and the rest of the stage lights were down.
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: paul on May 17, 2005, 11:00 AM
Get a fog machine.  It's a great effect, and you don't have to worry about burning down the house.

I used to be in a band that did this.  The hose was under my throne so that when it was set off the fog came out between and around my bass drums.  I'd signal the fog by turning on a light behind me with a foot switch.  It was a cool effect that got people's attention, and was completely safe.

We used 5 pounds of dry ice dropped into boiling water, but there are several ways to generate fog nowadays.
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: James Walker on May 17, 2005, 11:01 AM
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Quote from: TaAqPrMaSa on Today at 11:56:30 AM
okay, first off i am clearing it with the school., second im using paraffin, it burns at 45 degrees.

I've already found a huge flaw in your idea! You are dead wrong about that my friend! Parrafin wax burns at 2,552 degrees fahrenheit. Just dump the fire idea and move on.  ;)

I was wondering why the parrafin wax on my drums' bearing edges hasn't already burst into flame at room temperature...  ;)
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Stewart Manley on May 17, 2005, 11:06 AM
I was wondering why the parrafin wax on my drums' bearing edges hasn't already burst into flame at room temperature...  ;)

This could explain what happened to Mick Shrimpton...  :o
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: DougB on May 17, 2005, 11:09 AM
Get a fog machine.  It's a great effect, and you don't have to worry about burning down the house.


And rent one of those laser machines that can project lettering and shapes onto a wall.
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Marcos on May 17, 2005, 11:40 AM
okay, this might seem like a bad idea but ...

" ... might seem"???!!!??? ???  ???  ???

OK dude. It is now obvious you were serious. I now advise you to go along with your 1st instincts,  ..."bad idea" is putting it mildly. Listen to these people and trash this "idea". However, you seem sorta stubborn on this. If you do this, share with us by having your performance video-taped and posted on the web. Good luck.
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: mudpuppy on May 17, 2005, 11:41 AM
As the Principal of a school,(by day) I would find it highly unlikely (read impossible) that you will get approval for this. Even if I wanted to approve something like that, fire regulations would no doubt prevent it.  The ideas already posted provide some realistic alternatives . Go in that direction and more importantly, blow them away with your drumming skills.
mp
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Mark Schlipper on May 17, 2005, 12:22 PM
And just to add one more little thing ... If you plan on setting fire to your gear, plan on it getting destroyed.  Period.    You may get lucky and find away to save your gear, but don't expect it.  

Its like riding a motorcycle, you cant think about IF you'll wreck, you have think about WHEN you will.    

If you have reservations about losing $30 worth of heads, let alone $X00 worth of drums and cymbals, then its not worth doing.  

Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: chefdoug on May 17, 2005, 02:18 PM
Here's an idea, check out some of the stuff Blue Man group does. Now those guys have some stunning visuals with drumming. They use combinations of brightly colored paints and lighting, the splattering colors as they hit drums are really cool, you would of course have to find a fully washable paint, but it would cause less damage than fire. They do some other things that are visually very cool that coincide directly with drumming. So yeah, I would check out other visual options before setting your kit ablaze. Or you can really kick it old school and get yourself a gong to light on fire behind you ;D
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Gregg Rivers on May 17, 2005, 03:17 PM
Here's an idea, check out some of the stuff Blue Man group does. Now those guys have some stunning visuals with drumming. They use combinations of brightly colored paints and lighting, the splattering colors as they hit drums are really cool, you would of course have to find a fully washable paint, but it would cause less damage than fire. They do some other things that are visually very cool that coincide directly with drumming. So yeah, I would check out other visual options before setting your kit ablaze. Or you can really kick it old school and get yourself a gong to light on fire behind you ;D

Hmm let's see if I can picture that idea........
Zildjian Gong $400.00
Gong Stand   $175.00
Bic Lighter            1.00
Medical Bills from Gong rolling out of stand after ties burn away and it rolls into the audience and sets a few people on fire.......
                     $Skys The Limit
Having a new cell mate named Bubba that thinks you have a pretty mouth....
                       Priceless!

Leave the fire for the Pyrotechnicians. Be a drummer, it's a much safer gig. ;)
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: Drumodad on May 17, 2005, 03:20 PM
Why not go with the flying drumset solo,that probably hasn`t been done at your school before.Ulta violet paint on drum sticks under a black light.Play while blind folded. Glitter flys off drum heads pretty good.I think it was Floyd from Three Dog Night on Don Kirschners Rock Concert back in the 70`s that put some water,about half full, and gold fish in his floor toms.Peta may have something to say about this one though.Hope with all the suggestions in this thread you find something,or try them all.
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: Dave Heim on May 17, 2005, 06:42 PM
Other, safer options (some already mentioned) . .

* Rent a fog machine or confetti gun and kick it on near the end of your performance.
* Use flourescent paint and a black light.
* Go to a magic shop or www.magictricks.com and buy some flash paper.
* Rent some lights

Dig up the story of The Station Nightclub fire in Rhode Island, and give it a read.
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: paul on May 17, 2005, 06:52 PM
Drumodad, I believe the goldfish in the floor tom was done originally by Keith Moon.  Anyway, it only works with acrylic drums.  Goldfish in a maple set is really underwhelming.

Besides, a tom full of water doesn't project very well. :)
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: chefdoug on May 17, 2005, 06:56 PM
Hmm let's see if I can picture that idea........
Zildjian Gong $400.00
Gong Stand   $175.00
Bic Lighter            1.00
Medical Bills from Gong rolling out of stand after ties burn away and it rolls into the audience and sets a few people on fire.......
                     $Skys The Limit
Having a new cell mate named Bubba that thinks you have a pretty mouth....
                       Priceless!

Leave the fire for the Pyrotechnicians. Be a drummer, it's a much safer gig. ;)


he he, nice :)
or just get one of those $30 10 inch dinner gongs and stick it under one of your schools bunsen burners, you can sell that idea by claiming it as research of the reactions of bronze under intense heat, with musical accompaniment, of course.
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Dave Heim on May 17, 2005, 07:38 PM
BTW - if you try this, and someone gets hurt, you'll be sued.  Or more likely your parents will be sued.  As will the school.  Not exactly the best way to be popular in your community.
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Roger Beverage on May 17, 2005, 07:49 PM
second im using paraffin, it burns at 45 degrees.

You mean 450, right ?  

If you are really committed to doing this, don't wear anything with polyester or nylon or you will be the torch.

I think its a dumb idea.

Roger
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: Bob Pettit on May 17, 2005, 07:56 PM
When I set fire to my drums, I use two sticks, but I don't rub 'em together.

 :)

Seriously, not a good idea to actually start a fire.

Try a blowing fan on fake tissue paper 'flames'. Might be able to use clamp on fan pointed up under tissues 'flames' mounted along the rim of the drums somehow.

Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: Dave Heim on May 17, 2005, 08:02 PM
Hey, and if there's any question about what temperatures other substances burn (hickory, maple, mylar, plastic drum finishes, cotton clothing, hair, skin, etc.), swing by the local fire house and tell them what you have in mind.  I'm sure they have all that sort of information in their files and they'd be happy to help.
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Gregg Rivers on May 17, 2005, 08:15 PM
You mean 450, right ?  


No he meant ......

Parrafin wax burns at 2,552 degrees fahrenheit.  
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Drumodad on May 17, 2005, 08:36 PM
Drumodad, I believe the goldfish in the floor tom was done originally by Keith Moon.  Anyway, it only works with acrylic drums.  Goldfish in a maple set is really underwhelming.

Besides, a tom full of water doesn't project very well. :)
Quote
Never saw Moon do it.Of course they would have to be acrylic,still getting a set of Fibes,Ludwigs,Zickos,Starlites or any other custom transparent set would be cheaper than burning down a school.As far as a floor tom  filled with water not projecting,maybe thats why Floyd only half filled his. ;)I wonder if he sealed it with silicone,or let it seep out as he played.
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Gregg Rivers on May 17, 2005, 09:14 PM
Are the Vistalites vented? That may have been why they were half full/
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: TaAqPrMaSa on May 17, 2005, 09:34 PM
alright after careful deliberation. im doing it
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: Steve Phelps (Shoeless) on May 17, 2005, 09:50 PM
alright after careful deliberation. im doing it


OK mark the time on that post. That's the the exact moment TaAqPrMaSa
went straight to Hell wearing gasoline underpants.
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: James Walker on May 17, 2005, 09:57 PM
OK mark the time on that post. That's the the exact moment TaAqPrMaSa
went straight to Hell with gasoline underpants.

I believe it was Oscar Wilde who wrote, "There is no sin, other than stupidity."  That would fit.

Maybe this person is campaigning for a "Darwin Award"?

I'm really, REALLY hoping that our young friend here is simply a troll...
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: James Walker on May 17, 2005, 10:04 PM
That may have been why they were half full

That's what we love about you, Louderdb - you're such an optomist.  ;D
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: Rusty Beckett on May 18, 2005, 05:18 AM
alright after careful deliberation. im doing it

Careful Deliberations????? - have someone take pictures and do a good write up - Then we'd have something to post on the Darwin Awards web site . . .

My thought is this has to be someone who enjoys the attention of an online debate and can't be serious.
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: JerBear on May 18, 2005, 08:23 AM
I think this kid needs pyrotechnics to overcome his lack of chops.  Why else would you risk jail and loss of life just to show off for a talent show? Just because the school says it's ok doesn't mean the city fire chief can't press charges. In todays schools no tolerance policies that could be interpreted as arson. Hardy worth the cost of legal fees or worst going to jail just to show off for 5 minutes.
Practice an outstanding solo and give it your all and as said before get a few strobe lights and time them differently and that will be a good display. IMHO
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: TaAqPrMaSa on May 18, 2005, 10:03 AM
ah, i was kidding i forgot to post immediately after that
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: TaAqPrMaSa on May 18, 2005, 10:07 AM
btw this was all very serious, and anyone who wants to grille me about it can just not post. plus i was trying to find out some facts, not try to be persuaded just to not do it.
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Redcamaro on May 18, 2005, 10:11 AM
Well...if nothing else this has been a terribly entertaining post to follow....and it does demonstrate the mindset of graduates that our great school system is creating.  These are our future leaders after all.

What a comforting thought.
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: Bart Elliott on May 18, 2005, 10:17 AM
btw this was all very serious, and anyone who wants to grille me about it can just not post. plus i was trying to find out some facts, not try to be persuaded just to not do it.

Unfortunately when you go public ... well, you never know what kind of response you are going to get. Basically no one thus far can give you positive feedback, which I assume that you wanted. So the only thing left, because we all seem to feel so strongly about this, is that we need to be real and suggest that you NOT do this. It's out of concern that we say what we do; it's not about "grilling" you or giving you are hard time.

If you are looking for opinions that are based on no experience ... and you want nothing but thumbs up responses ... you are in the wrong forum!  8)
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: P2 on May 18, 2005, 10:28 AM
You know one thing I've learned in life is that ...Stupid things happen to stupid people.... unless you can predict the future.... don't be stupid!
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: Ranman on May 18, 2005, 10:47 AM
Bottom line:

If you have to ask how to set your drums on fire on a forum, you shouldn't.
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: Gregg Rivers on May 18, 2005, 11:08 AM
btw this was all very serious, and anyone who wants to grille me about it can just not post. plus i was trying to find out some facts, not try to be persuaded just to not do it.

No one that I can tell was grilling you. What EVERYONE was trying to do is keep you from "grilling" yourself or some innocent by-stander. I'm with Bart and the rest in that what is apparent is you didn't want to know the truth, you were just looking for what you wanted to hear. Sorry. I posted my thoughts out of concern for your safety, the safety of everyone else in the room you'd try this in and you future as a drummer, not a convict. It may not have been what you wanted to hear, but it's the truth like it or not! I still say the school will NEVER give you permission to do this anywhere near the school. So my only concern now is that you'll be hard headed enough to try off campus and really get hurt. I just don't want to see you burned to death on useless junk dot com bro. Burning to death is probably the most painful death there is. That being worst case scenario, you could just end up burning down a building or at the least, ruin your cymbals. All of which you say you don't want to do! Don't play with fire or you WILL get burned.  
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: Marcos on May 18, 2005, 11:10 AM
... plus i was trying to find out some facts, not try to be persuaded just to not do it.

(sniff - sniff, hmmmm I hope that's not a burning troll I smell.) Anyways, this thread has provided you with the only facts you need. Your lack of maturity escapes when you interpret everyone as persuading you to not do it. Grow up, son.

(http://eknp.com/clipart/ani/tparamedic_vehicle_flashing_md_wht[1].gif)
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: TaAqPrMaSa on May 18, 2005, 11:12 AM
i went here looking for answers and i got them but i was mostly looking for people that have done it before and i think one person said they had. i wanted to know what happened mostly and was thinking this through using the forum. i was almost positive the school wouldnt let me so i was mostly looking for answers to my questions.
check this out (thats not me btw)

(http://www.killrockstars.com/bands/bangs/anniversary/big/Jesse_Fox_drums_on_fire98.jpg)
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Bart Elliott on May 18, 2005, 11:19 AM
Notice that this picture is from a site called Kill Rock Stars ... and that the guy's chin is on fire!  (http://community.drummercafe.com/Images/emoticons/fireman.gif)

PhotoShop is a wonderful thing.  ;)
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: TaAqPrMaSa on May 18, 2005, 11:23 AM
not it isnt, b ut that would be funny. but yeah im going to rule the school with drums, i'll post a link to a video for you all.
you should make this a sticky thread so people can read it down the line and not ask about drums and fire
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: JerBear on May 18, 2005, 11:25 AM
Your right Bart and what ever cymbals he WAS using he just melted the protective coating off of them. Not too smart.
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Funkadrummer on May 18, 2005, 11:54 AM
Put a strobe light in your kick drum and cut a hole in the resonant head that could be cool.
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Ranman on May 18, 2005, 12:03 PM
I think you should mount the whole set on an inverted lawn mower so that if the fire gets out of control you can spin yourself out...ummm that would be cool to.

No seriously STOP DROP and ROLL!  ::)
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: oxford on May 18, 2005, 05:04 PM
I played at a big beach party when I was in my 20s and we had two drum sets set up. The guy next to me (pre-med student) wanted a big ending to "My Generation" so he made a smoke bomb, placed it on his floor tom and lit it at the end of the song. It was cool for about 15 seconds but the smoke began to overwhelm him and fill the big tent covering us, then his FT head caught on fire and things got outta hand as flames started to get going and the FT started burning. Next --  garden hoses are blasting his kit.

I had to bail because of the smoke and the party ended.

It was a cool ending but a bad idea.

ox
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: drumwild on May 18, 2005, 05:23 PM
In the clubs here, if you try to light a candle or incense, you are ejected and told to not return.
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: Dave Heim on May 18, 2005, 06:15 PM
i went here looking for answers and i got them but i was mostly looking for people that have done it before and i think one person said they had. i wanted to know what happened mostly and was thinking this through using the forum. i was almost positive the school wouldnt let me so i was mostly looking for answers to my questions.
check this out (thats not me btw)

(http://www.killrockstars.com/bands/bangs/anniversary/big/Jesse_Fox_drums_on_fire98.jpg)

It's good to have photos like this.  The insurance company will need them.
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: TaAqPrMaSa on May 18, 2005, 06:26 PM
so....drums....fire bad, drums good.
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: TaAqPrMaSa on May 18, 2005, 06:28 PM
though non intentionally i think i did good qwith my first post, 60 replies or so
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: Ranman on May 18, 2005, 07:47 PM
Ya, we are all trying to look out for you dude...Welcome to Drummer Cafe
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Rhyvven on May 19, 2005, 07:22 AM
Somewhat surprised to see this thread still going - But good in a sense in that you were finally dissuaded from a stupid act. I understand that "youthful determination and need for acceptance thing",but since you are graduating High School - try and graduate from that too. I am pretty sure I read all the responses but I don't think I saw this mentioned:

It seems you did not even think about what would happen when you actually struck said drums and/or cymbals. Last time I checked these instruments tend to vibrate just a tad when struck. Being a near High School graduate I believe you can surmise what might have happened to the substance you applied to your instruments. One would think you would bring confirmation to "For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction" statement.

Glad to see a "spark" of common sense finally overtook you...........



....and hear I thought the Forum had become stale with many repetitive "non-searched" questions.....jeesh :P
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: James Walker on May 19, 2005, 09:06 AM
....and hear I thought the Forum had become stale with many repetitive "non-searched" questions.....jeesh :P

I can see it now...six months hence...

"Does anyone know the exact temperature at which paraffin starts to burn?"

"Dude, c'mon - use the search engine - we've talked about this in the past..."  ;D
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Steve Phelps (Shoeless) on May 19, 2005, 10:23 AM
Hey TaAqPrMaSa I've heard of this band that you'd be perfect for. They seem to have a problem holding on to drummers.

http://www.jotdot.net/joeandellen/images/spinaltap.jpg

Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: felix on May 19, 2005, 05:50 PM
This was the FUNNIEST thread I've read here in a long time!

I've been in bands where we have used flash paper as cheap pyro and it does a good job.  You still need a small spark to get it to go off.

In reality- I would just play your solo without all the hooplah.  But if you want to- hell, go for it with alcohol/151 rum- that's what I'd do.  I'd combine it with some fog, black light and flash paper though.
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: JerBear on May 19, 2005, 06:04 PM
151 rum? Why waste it and besides he maybe under age. Now you have a under age pyro with booze. Save the flames and bring on the coca cola. ;D
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: TaAqPrMaSa on May 19, 2005, 08:43 PM
well...booze...uh. nah, i am good i know that and i was planning to rely on my skills and just add the effects but no one in the school has ever heard anything like this so i should be perfectly fine going on a suicidal drum solo. meaning im going to die trying my hardest, i get all pumped up when i play in front of people.
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: felix on May 20, 2005, 05:57 AM
That's what I'D do.   Just play.  Yeah, we NEVER drank 151 in high school.  WHAT was I thinking.
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Jon E on May 20, 2005, 06:01 AM
Remember, it's not knowing how to set them on fire that is important.  It's knowing how to put them out!!
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: DougB on May 20, 2005, 06:14 AM
If you do go through with this, please follow proper ettiquette and provide enough marshmallows for everyone in the audience.      ;)
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: smoggrocks on May 20, 2005, 11:33 AM
wow, man -- you did do pretty good for a first post!

my first thought was that the idea wasn't good from a purely aesthetic standpoint, and that it'd just be too hot [temperature-wise] to play comfortably. but from a safety and logistics point, everyone here has brought up important issues.

i vote for flash paper, too. great effect, and no heat or flame. but you have to really time it well, because the light is intensely bright, and you can go blind for a while [if not forever].

in his recent book, pink floyd's drummer, nick mason, discusses all the hurdles he had to overcome in the early days of their stage pyrotechnics. everybody was always getting injured and burned, and with their crude equipment, they often couldn't pull off a lot of effects. later on, he had one rather groovy gong that had gas ignitors [as on a stove] built into the rim of the gong. it looks great, but i can only imagine the heat. in any event, it's probably the only safe way to pull off something like that, but undoubtedly, quite expensive.

if there was a way you could pull it off safely, cheaply and effectively, i'd say go for it. but there's a lot of timing, choreography and regulatory stuff involved, so i guess you'll have to dazzle them with your chops.

i understand your motivations, though. it's cool, and keeps the audience from falling asleep during the drum solo.

 ;D
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: LaelsMom on May 22, 2005, 08:16 AM
TaAqPrMaSa,

I didn't read this thread until this morning, but then I read the whole thing at once.  You generated a lot of really great responses that boil down to "don't do it."  Lael just played her middle school talent show last Friday.  She didn't have any tricks or effects, just really great musicians playing with her.  She didn't win -- because they wouldn't let her compete.  (Which means she really DID win the one thing that counts.)  So her combo played as guest artists while the judges determined the winners.  Feet tapped, heads nodded with the music, bodies swayed, and the applause was thunderous.  And the winner was . . . Two boys on two drum kits playing along with a CD in tandem.  They didn't use any special effects either.

It's about the music.  Tricks generate smiles, laughs, and talk.  Good music generates respect (and gigs!)  If you managed to get permission and do your fire thing (and everybody lived through it), do you think they'd be talking about your great drumming ability next week?
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: TaAqPrMaSa on May 22, 2005, 10:14 PM
 my solo was pretty awesome, I got a standing ovation. two poeple were in the audience that were decent drummers and they knew it was an improv and thought it was good even though i screwed up two or three times which sucked alot but no one but me noticed really. im going to post a link to the clip of me playing but it isnt very long and my friend cut off the first 20 or so seconds of the solo which kinda ruins it because it had a really good beginning. but otherwise effects werent needed, yet as usual would have been cool.
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: Dave Heim on May 23, 2005, 05:02 PM
There were chairs, right?   Standing ovations don't count if there were no chairs!  :)

Just kidding.

Congratulations.  Sounds like you had a good time despite the lack of special effects.  It's good when the playing is special enough to stand on its own.
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: stapes2260 on May 28, 2005, 01:02 AM
BAD IDEA.

I knew people who died in the "Station" bar fire in Rhode Island a few years back (I'm from RI). It happened because the idiots in Great White decided that pyrotechnics would be cool, and proceeded to burn the place down and kill 100 people. If i saw you doing that during a performance indoors i'd run up on the stage and beat you.

Don't play with fire. If you're gonna do something like that, do it at an outdoor show, with someone with a fire extinguisher standing by.
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: Drummz on May 28, 2005, 10:01 PM
Find a new hobby
Title: Drums & Fire!
Post by: DaveGink on May 29, 2005, 10:34 PM
BAD IDEA.

I knew people who died in the "Station" bar fire in Rhode Island a few years back (I'm from RI). It happened because the idiots in Great White decided that pyrotechnics would be cool, and proceeded to burn the place down and kill 100 people. If i saw you doing that during a performance indoors i'd run up on the stage and beat you.

Don't play with fire. If you're gonna do something like that, do it at an outdoor show, with someone with a fire extinguisher standing by.

I was watching VH1 Classics last night and they played an old Great White video (their cover version of the Who's 'substitute'). Anyway, In the vid they had their background banner burning while they played in front of it. It was kind of creepy.
Title: Re:Drums & Fire!
Post by: Vipercussionist on August 01, 2005, 08:40 PM
Well, if you want to try something different, you'll need some cool lighting, maybe even a strobe light, and use simple talcum powder on the heads, it explodes off the heads when you hit them and creates clouds of "smoke" that with the right lighting can be quite striking!! Heck of a cleanup afterwards though. I saw a local Heavy Metal band do it many years ago.