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Title: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Gaetano Nicolosi on April 05, 2007, 07:48 AM
Hello drummers,

I think it's time to think about the community solo 3!!!

What do you think Bart?

I'm sure Felix is ready!
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Bart Elliott on April 05, 2007, 08:01 AM
I completely agree.

I can't believe how time flies! I was just thinking about the community solo the other day. I've doing a lot of behind the scenes work here at the Drummer Cafe during my "spare time" and noticed that it's about this time each year that we have the Drummer Cafe Community Solo.

For those that don't know what we are talking about (and are missing out), here's last years solo:

http://www.drummercafe.com/media/CommunitySolo2.swf

Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: felix on April 05, 2007, 09:13 AM
 ::)   
I guess I'm ready.

One humble request for the loop: Maybe dumb it down if possible compared to last years? I would like 1/4 notes on a cowbell?   :P well, maybe not that dumbed down  ;D

Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Matt Self (Gaddabout) on April 05, 2007, 10:00 AM
I'm in and ready to fire away.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: 1Xanadu1 on April 05, 2007, 12:14 PM
I would so do this if i had a way of recording myself
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Steve Phelps (Shoeless) on April 05, 2007, 06:20 PM
This year I'm in!!!!!
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Louis Russell on April 05, 2007, 06:24 PM
I would like 1/4 notes on a cowbell?   :P well, maybe not that dumbed down  ;D



You better smile when you say that pardner!    ;D     http://louisrussell.com/igotafever.mp3]Click Here  
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Robyn on April 05, 2007, 10:40 PM
Hey Louis--was that you talking?! ;D

Very very cool, guys! I didn't get to hear the #2 when it came out--maybe it was before we got hi-speed internet.

robyn
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Todd Norris on April 05, 2007, 11:25 PM
I should be able to put something together. 
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: DrummerMom on April 06, 2007, 06:44 AM
I'll try to add something this time.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Hannah Ford on April 06, 2007, 07:07 AM
Very Cool!!!

I'd love to contribute....

Hannah
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Louis Russell on April 06, 2007, 07:32 AM
Hey Louis--was that you talking?!

Yes, that was one of my many voices of Funkdom!  It seems that each time there is a solo I am in the hospital or unable to play.  I may have to try a one-armed solo just for giggles and grins.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: felix on April 06, 2007, 07:49 AM
Wait till you guys hear my new minamalist approach.  ;D

I got one of those new Zoom H4 handy recorders for 300 bucks.  It comes with the Cubase LE software.  Pretty good value!

I ought to try and do mine on this thing.  It would be a neat challenge.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: sleepybrIghteyez on April 06, 2007, 08:07 AM
Sounds like fun. I like the one posted a lot. I'm not that good. hahah It would be a fun challenge though. How many of you sat down, brainstormed, and wrote out your solo as opposed to just improvising it?

Bart is there a way I can get an MP3 of the solo posted in this thread? I'd like to listen to it on my phone for a week. My new drum kit should be here within a couple weeks and I was already planning on setting everything up to record when they arrive.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Larry Lawless on April 06, 2007, 12:39 PM
How many of you sat down, brainstormed, and wrote out your solo as opposed to just improvising it?

Just speaking for myself, I played through with the loop about 3 times to get a feel for what I wanted to do, then turned on the recorder and played about 3 times through. Listened back, picked my favorite of the 3 (which happened to be the last time), and sent it on.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on April 06, 2007, 02:59 PM
If I can figure out how to use this 16 track Korg recorder my guitar player brought over I would like to try this time.
                            Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Dave Heim on April 06, 2007, 03:14 PM
Wait till you guys hear my new minamalist approach.  ;D

I got one of those new Zoom H4 handy recorders for 300 bucks.  It comes with the Cubase LE software.  Pretty good value!

I ought to try and do mine on this thing.  It would be a neat challenge.

Cool!  I ordered one just the other day and I'm waiting for it to arrive!  I'm anxious to play with it.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Hannah Ford on April 06, 2007, 03:29 PM
If I can figure out how to use this 16 track Korg recorder my guitar player brought over I would like to try this time.
                            Nutty

On 2nd thought, this may require more "technology" than I'm capable of!  :-\

LOL

Hannah
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on April 06, 2007, 03:34 PM
On 2nd thought, this may require more "technology" than I'm capable of!  :-\

LOL

Hannah
Hannah,
I don't think that you have to use anything like what I am talking about.
It is just all I have access to right now.  I am sure that a Pro tools program or maybe even a small MP3 recorder might work?
                         Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Todd Norris on April 06, 2007, 06:59 PM
I just use a cheap mic going into my PC and record a wav file.   

I listened to the track several times, then sat down and worked out what I wanted to do, then did about a dozen takes until I had a decent take.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: MUSIKxDRUMR on April 06, 2007, 07:29 PM
For some reason this has passed me over everytime. Not this time, I'm in!
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Gaetano Nicolosi on April 09, 2007, 09:46 AM
Yes, that was one of my many voices of Funkdom!  It seems that each time there is a solo I am in the hospital or unable to play.  I may have to try a one-armed solo just for giggles and grins.

Come on Louis,
I'm sure we'll like to have you as part of the community solo....

Here is the list of the peaple that are in so far:
Bart
Gaetano_Nicolosi
Felix
Gaddabout
Shoeless
Drum4JC
Drummermom
Sleepybrighteye
MUSIKxDRUMR

Anybody else? I am sure there are more that they are thinking about!  ??? What about Mr. A?

Felix I knew you were ready for this!  ;D
Lawless are you in? I hope so....

Bart, do you have an idea already for the Loop that we are going to use at this time?


Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: amoacristo on April 09, 2007, 10:01 AM
I have every intention of being in on this one.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on April 09, 2007, 10:16 AM
I will try it too. I have a friend bringing me his MP3 Recorder for a day.
Let us know when the rhythm track is ready to burn?
Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Larry Lawless on April 09, 2007, 10:44 AM
Lawless are you in? I hope so....

Count me in!!

Good to see you back on the board, Gaetano!
Geting any sleep lately?
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Hannah Ford on April 09, 2007, 10:48 AM
Come on Louis,
I'm sure we'll like to have you as part of the community solo....

Here is the list of the peaple that are in so far:
Bart
Gaetano_Nicolosi
Felix
Gaddabout
Shoeless
Drum4JC
Drummermom
Sleepybrighteye
MUSIKxDRUMR

Anybody else? I am sure there are more that they are thinking about!  ??? What about Mr. A?

Felix I knew you were ready for this!  ;D
Lawless are you in? I hope so....

Bart, do you have an idea already for the Loop that we are going to use at this time?




I would like to participate if there's a spot open.....
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: felix on April 09, 2007, 11:05 AM
NO HANNAH, you're too good of a player.   ;D

Just kidding LOL.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Hannah Ford on April 09, 2007, 11:09 AM
LOL...Yea right!!  ::)

I'm just hoping I can hang around and learn some things from you guys...
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Robyn on April 09, 2007, 11:20 AM
Just make the loop longer then. The last one was what?--just under 4 mins? So run it to 6 mins (or longer ;D) and let everyone have a shot. The #2 was amazing!! Great fun to hear everyone's different playing styles,yet meshed together in one song.

robyn
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: amoacristo on April 09, 2007, 11:31 AM
Just make the loop longer then. The last one was what?--just under 4 mins? So run it to 6 mins (or longer ;D) and let everyone have a shot.

Actually, the loop was much shorter than that in it's original form. Each person records their part, within a limited time frame, and then it is put together with the loop repeating as long as necessary depending on who all participates and how long it is needed. If enough people get involved, it could be 20 or 30 minutes or more. There is no limit since the loop just repeats.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: felix on April 09, 2007, 11:42 AM
I think I might even be able to use my kit this year too  ::) The sonor delites sound very very good these days if I do say so myselfski:

(https://www.drummercafe.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.woolyinc.com%2Fimages%2Fdeliteright.jpg&hash=1bdce54fd2f52a94dc632d60e6b7f6d3)

I have been working on some solo stuff recently.  Some of it is actually kinda cool sounding.

James, I got the Tempus snare.  Sounds pretty different from what I'm used to.  Maybe I shall record with it  :-\

Might be a bigger turnout this year? Gotta coax Mr. A in here to kick butt and take names, he's a real sandbagger guys.  8)  Maybe have him light up that cocktail kit!  C'mon Mr. A.

Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on April 09, 2007, 11:50 AM
Might be a bigger turnout this year? Gotta coax Mr. A in here to kick butt and take names, he's a real sandbagger guys.  8)  Maybe have him light up that cocktail kit!  C'mon Mr. A.


Nice kit Felix.  Keep after him Felix.  It was nice listening to the solo again.
Just doesn't seem right without the forums Moderator involved.
  C'mon Mr. A.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: James Walker on April 09, 2007, 11:59 AM
I'll have to wait to hear the loop first, so I can decide whether I'll be able to contribute something worthwhile.

James, I got the Tempus snare.  Sounds pretty different from what I'm used to.  Maybe I shall record with it  :-\

Cool.  PM me after you live with it for a little bit.  :)
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Gaetano Nicolosi on April 09, 2007, 12:46 PM
Count me in!!

Good to see you back on the board, Gaetano!
Geting any sleep lately?

Good Larry, I'm glad to hear that you are in..........
Yes, I'm back... I was always checking the drummer cafe in the last few months, but I have been busy recording a couple of project and not have much time to post anything really....
Getting sleep? No much at all, barely enough to survive!  :(
But it's ok, because as soon my son is maybe (MAYBE) ready to play drums, I can retired and get all the sleep I want!  ;D

Back to the topic, I am glad to see many drummer cafe members involved on this... This is going to be the best community solo!

Hannah, I believe there is room for everyone to partecipate...
We maybe have to consider to play something like 16 measure of solo for each member, in order to give the opportunity to everyone... But that is my opinion.... Bart will give us some details soon.....

Felix that is a sweet drumset!  ;)
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Hannah Ford on April 09, 2007, 01:09 PM
Good Larry, I'm glad to hear that you are in..........
Yes, I'm back... I was always checking the drummer cafe in the last few months, but I have been busy recording a couple of project and not have much time to post anything really....
Getting sleep? No much at all, barely enough to survive!  :(
But it's ok, because as soon my son is maybe (MAYBE) ready to play drums, I can retired and get all the sleep I want!  ;D

Back to the topic, I am glad to see many drummer cafe members involved on this... This is going to be the best community solo!

Hannah, I believe there is room for everyone to partecipate...
We maybe have to consider to play something like 16 measure of solo for each member, in order to give the opportunity to everyone... But that is my opinion.... Bart will give us some details soon.....

Felix that is a sweet drumset!  ;)


Thanks Gaetano...

Looking forward to seeing you Saturday!

Hannah
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Drumlooney on April 09, 2007, 01:11 PM
I would be up for it again and this time I will practice.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: felix on April 09, 2007, 01:22 PM
I would be up for it again and this time I will practice.

Shhhhhh You aren't supposed to actually tell anyone you practice.  That isn't cool!   ;D

I do all my recording in one take.  8)
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Matt Self (Gaddabout) on April 09, 2007, 02:18 PM
I do all my recording in one take.  8)

See, it's revelations like this that inspire us to name you the world's best drummer.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on April 09, 2007, 02:22 PM
See, it's revelations like this that inspire us to name you the world's best drummer.
I'll say it again, He's the best!
          Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Scott on April 09, 2007, 03:06 PM
You know, I think it's about time that I do one of these.....on ONE condition:

Mr. A has to submit a solo.   :P  8)
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: yankeeboy13 on April 09, 2007, 04:55 PM
count me in too (don't expect too much)
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: agogobil on April 09, 2007, 07:08 PM
count me in too (don't expect too much)

ditto!
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: JeepnDrummer on April 09, 2007, 11:49 PM
I'm interested as well.  The first battle is figuring out how to record to my computer.  The second battle is getting them to sound half-way decent due to the terrible acoustics and having only one mic.  Last battle is playing something half-way decent to submit.  :P
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on April 10, 2007, 06:26 AM
I will try it too. I have a friend bringing me his MP3 Recorder for a day.
Let us know when the rhythm track is ready to burn?
Nutty
As long as the loop can be burned to CD, I have a way to record it now.
Count me in for sure this time.
                       Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Drum Slave Jack on April 10, 2007, 10:18 AM
I'd like to contribute something. I've never really shown the DC community anything that i've done before and i'd finally like to share what I can do. I'll just need the loop in MP3 format and i'll be good to go.
Jack
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: eardrum on April 10, 2007, 02:05 PM
I've wanted to join in on the last two but between not having a good means of recording and being very intimidated about others hearing my playing I procrastinated just long enough to miss out.  SO I really want to do this.  I can now record to my IPOD so no excuse there.  My only problem will be finding the time - work is wacko now.  Anyway, count me in and if I flake, I'll do some penance by re-reading all of posts from 2003.  Bart, if all of us come through, you are going to be a busy man!
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: yankeeboy13 on April 10, 2007, 02:46 PM
In what format do we submit our final clips? I think I could use my dad's recorder and mics (he plays guitar and sings), burn it to a CD and upload it on my computer or something....
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Hannah Ford on April 10, 2007, 02:55 PM

Looks like we're all ready to get started!!!  When does the project kick off???

This is going to be so much fun!  I can't wait....after it's done I'll get to "borrow" grooves from everyone....or is that stealing?  LOL  ;)



Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Matt Self (Gaddabout) on April 10, 2007, 03:01 PM
This is going to be so much fun!  I can't wait....after it's done I'll get to "borrow" grooves from everyone....or is that stealing?  LOL  ;)

You can't steal what's already been stolen.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Louis Russell on April 10, 2007, 06:32 PM
...or is that stealing?  LOL  ;)

No way!  Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery BUT
I can tell you some other things that are definitely stealing.(https://www.drummercafe.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flouisrussell.com%2Fani7.gif&hash=841613505f0c4b635776b7dbd061e2b9)
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Hannah Ford on April 11, 2007, 12:35 AM
Louis,

You have the best animation!!

Anyways, when your my age it's definately not stealing....it's simply learning from those better than you.  ;)
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on April 11, 2007, 05:05 AM
Louis,

You have the best animation!!

Anyways, when your my age it's definately not stealing....it's simply learning from those better than you.  ;)
Hannah,
When you get to be my age it is still learning from those better than you. Been trying to steal those lick most of my life and unfortunantly, I still don't have most of them right.  I just keep trying to play drums. ::)                   Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: felix on April 11, 2007, 05:59 AM
I think it's a good excuse for Louis to get back in the saddle as well. 
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Bart Elliott on April 11, 2007, 03:25 PM
Okay ... the solo is a go!

Click  http://www.drummercafe.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,2/topic,20910.0]HERE  to learn more.

I trust that the loop is simplified enough that makes Felix happy, and enough Cowbell for Louis!

Instead of using the same old Cowbells, I used my Gankogui ... which are basically African Cowbells, although never intended to be used on a cow; it's just an instrument.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Hannah Ford on April 11, 2007, 03:40 PM


Awesome!  Thanks Bart....this is going to be another first for me!!

Hannah
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Joe on April 11, 2007, 04:21 PM
I don't know if it's just me, but I've tried downloading the clip three times and playing it with both Winamp and Audacity, and there is a significant wow and flutter on the bells.  Also, there is some distortion on the track.

Aside from that, I think I could hear that it was decently simple, and something I'd be happy to play to.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Bart Elliott on April 11, 2007, 05:28 PM
I don't know if it's just me, but I've tried downloading the clip three times and playing it with both Winamp and Audacity, and there is a significant wow and flutter on the bells.  Also, there is some distortion on the track.

Aside from that, I think I could hear that it was decently simple, and something I'd be happy to play to.

 :-\

It must be your system; there's nothing wrong with the file or the loop that I can hear. I recorded this in Pro Tools, burned it as a 128bit, 44.1kHz file. I just downloaded the file I posted and listened through my laptop speakers and my studio monitors; sounds fine to me.

Perhaps your download was corrupted. Try deleting the file, rebooting your computer and downloading the file again.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on April 11, 2007, 07:04 PM
:-\

It must be your system; there's nothing wrong with the file or the loop that I can hear. I recorded this in Pro Tools, burned it as a 128bit, 44.1kHz file. I just downloaded the file I posted and listened through my laptop speakers and my studio monitors; sounds fine to me.

Perhaps your download was corrupted. Try deleting the file, rebooting your computer and downloading the file again.
Hi Bart,
It down loaded and is playing just fine for me.  Nice clear loop but I played it on Windows Media player. Now the work begins. Thanks,
                             Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: yankeeboy13 on April 11, 2007, 07:10 PM
I did the counting for those who want to know, and 16 measures (the max) is about 30 seconds.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Louis Russell on April 11, 2007, 07:16 PM
Louis,

You have the best animation!!

Thanks!  I stole most of them.   ;D  Only joking....most were free, I purchased some, and I made some.

.it's simply learning from those better than you.  ;)

Yes it is and many times is called apprenticeship or internship.

I trust that the loop is simplified enough that makes Felix happy, and enough Cowbell for Louis!

I like a man who understands the importance of different cowbell sounds.
 
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: felix on April 11, 2007, 08:48 PM
Bart, that sounds GREAT.  Well done.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Robyn on April 11, 2007, 10:33 PM
Very nice! I downloaded it so I can play along w/ it a bit. I won't send anything in tho--not this year! ::)

robyn
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Joe on April 11, 2007, 10:55 PM
Yeah, it still didn't work.  Which is amazingly odd, since all other sound works swimmingly.

I can hear the clave vaguely through the flutter---would it be all right if I just recorded something to 118bpm, while keeping the general spirit of the track (what I can hear, anyway)?
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Bart Elliott on April 11, 2007, 11:26 PM
Yeah, it still didn't work.  Which is amazingly odd, since all other sound works swimmingly.

I can hear the clave vaguely through the flutter---would it be all right if I just recorded something to 118bpm, while keeping the general spirit of the track (what I can hear, anyway)?

I don't know if it will work or not, but you can try. Every metronome is slightly different, not to mention the recording device. Chances are it will be fine since the solo is short; there's not enough to get out of phase.

Still curious why you are experiencing a problem when no one else is. Might I suggest that the cowbells have a vibrato to them naturally, and perhaps you are hearing this ... or ... the speakers you are using can't handle the frequencies and/or timbre. Don't know what else to tell you Joe. There's still a chance that when you downloaded the file again, it got corrupted. If you have dial-up, the possibility is even greater. It happens, and it can happen more than once.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Joe on April 12, 2007, 01:51 AM
I'll just use the click that Audacity has.  I know it well, and it ought to be fine---especially for the eight-to-sixteen bar contribution.

Here's a pic of the waveform---I highlighted a couple of the worst distortions:

(https://www.drummercafe.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv375%2FAtomicBadger%2Floopwaveform.jpg&hash=d0cadc965410b3f81a2675fe303a133b)

I've a decent setup (and broadband) without respect to the microphone ( ::) ), so it's something with the download I'm sure.

But thanks!  I'll get to work.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Louis Russell on April 12, 2007, 08:38 PM
That looks pretty rough!  I can't understand why it looks that way.  I loaded mine in Audacity to see what it looked like. 


(https://www.drummercafe.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flouisrussell.com%2Fsolo3.jpg&hash=652156011dccf9650d8a6340ab95bf27)
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Bart Elliott on April 12, 2007, 09:53 PM
Notice that Louis' file doesn't have all the distortion Joe's has ... which shows that it that it was a download corruption, not a problem with the original file.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: MVanDoren1 on April 13, 2007, 01:02 AM
I'll take this to my music minister and see if he can help me with this.  Couple ideas crop up that I think I can handle- would be nice to contribute but I have ZERO experience with recording setups, etc.  just what is a wave file anyway???    Point is, hopefully others will be able to get me along on this- sounds like a lot of fun and last years example was really cool.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Joe on April 13, 2007, 01:23 AM
Notice that Louis' file doesn't have all the distortion Joe's has ... which shows that it that it was a download corruption, not a problem with the original file.

Well, that, plus there were no other complaints. :)

I appreciate all the talking-through, by the way, and Louis's example.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Joe on April 13, 2007, 05:36 PM
An update---James graciously uploaded his copy, and I got it just fine.  I'm stumped.

Anyway, that problem's over. :)
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Louis Russell on April 13, 2007, 08:36 PM
Anyway, that problem's over. :)

Maybe it was a transient phenomenon.   8)  I get by using terms such as that at work.   
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Hannah Ford on April 13, 2007, 09:23 PM
I got mine and it sounds great!   This is going to be a blast...

 :D
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on April 14, 2007, 06:45 PM
I got mine and it sounds great!   This is going to be a blast...

 :D
I have really been having fun with this groove too.  I might even add just a bit of Louis's favorite to it. My cow bell. I worked with it yesterday and today.  Now I need to go through the quick start procedure on this Korg and do it. Looked like a bunch of people on here down loaded it.  We shall see.  Hey Bart have you recieved any yet?
             Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Hannah Ford on April 15, 2007, 12:14 PM
I was with Gaetano yesterday and we were discussing what a great forum this is and how lucky we are to have it and Bart running it!

We both agreed that the community solo is a GREAT idea.

By the way, Gaetano played great and was very informative at his clinic yesterday!  I really enjoyed it!

Hannah
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Gaetano Nicolosi on April 16, 2007, 12:04 PM
Hey Hannah,
Thanks, it was great to see you at the clinic....
Yes, this is a nice place for nice drummers.. The drummer cafe is first class all the way...

About the community solo, WOW! It's great to see all these members involved on this! It is going to be fun! Now I have to find some time to record my solo!  ???
I'll try to have it done soon!

Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: felix on April 16, 2007, 01:06 PM
yeah, me too.  Trying to get used to the cowbell on "3" it seems to keep coming back to the "1"  ::)
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Louis Russell on April 16, 2007, 01:14 PM
yeah, me too.  Trying to get used to the cowbell on "3" it seems to keep coming back to the "1"  ::)

I thought it was only me.  I do believe it is on 1 and Bart is just messing with my mind.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Bart Elliott on April 16, 2007, 01:33 PM
 :)  The high-pitched cowbell IS on beat 3 all the way through. If you want to think of it as beat 1, you can ... just play your 8 measures or whatever you are going to do with that in mind.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Matt Self (Gaddabout) on April 16, 2007, 01:45 PM
hehehe ... I'm a prophet.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: felix on April 16, 2007, 01:51 PM


yes, unfortunately, I know it's on the three ... I just have to count more closely now instead of putting it on auto pilot.  It's good practice.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: David Aldridge on April 16, 2007, 01:56 PM
*whew*, so I'm also not the only one thrown by this loop... For me, if I stop counting/concentrating for a split second, the accent displaces to the 4th beat of the measure.  Makes my lack of experience totally self-obvious.  I went through my Igoe "Groove Essentials" poster to see if anything "matches up" with the loop for inspiration, and the only one that even comes close for my little brain is the Calypso one...

And please excuse the n00b question, but just for clarification, this 4/4 loop can be counted as the following, correct?:

|| 1 + 2   3  a4  a:||

(i.e. the clicky/"ghost" hits are 16ths on the 'and' of 1, 'ah' of 3 and 4, and not a triplet feel (16th(?) note triplets?))?

Thanks in advance for edumacating this here newbie.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: felix on April 16, 2007, 01:57 PM
Why are you a prophet Gaddy?  Did you have a nostradamus moment and predict the end of the world with the 2nd coming of the holy cowbell on beat 3? :D
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: felix on April 16, 2007, 02:05 PM
You didn't want this too easy did you Audball?

This one is easier to follow along with than last years I think.  At least I think.  I just set up and got some levels yesterday/went thru it a couple of times.

I'll hack at it some more tonight.  No big deal, keeps things reigned in a little for me that's all.  ;D

"one Two Thwee Fore"
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Matt Self (Gaddabout) on April 16, 2007, 02:12 PM
Why are you a prophet Gaddy?  Did you have a nostradamus moment and predict the end of the world with the 2nd coming of the holy cowbell on beat 3? :D

Not quite, but I did send a PM expressing concern some people would have problems with it. The producer of this project assured me he could slide solos to the left or right by two quarter notes and make them fit, and that it wouldn't be an issue.

Or, if you wish, we could have many solos with lots of unintentionally cool beat displacement! ;)
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Bart Elliott on April 16, 2007, 02:19 PM
Perhaps you could think of the loop as outlining a half-time feel ... with the backbeat on 3.

Personally I wouldn't get too absorbed as to where be one is with the loop. Listen for the pulse, which is the cowbell, and solo for _____ measures. I guess if you are needing the loop to keep track of your phrasing then you'll run into problems. If that is the case, then this is a very good exercise for you. It will help to get you to hear and feel phrases in your playing.

No one will know if you play to the loop thinking of beat 3 as your beat 1. The loop will be added in post-production when I mix, so as long as you are with the pulse, 118 bpm, you'll be fine.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: David Aldridge on April 16, 2007, 02:22 PM
Heh... I actually was more inspired by last years, as I was doing some triplet and non-4/4 time signature exercises, and "grok"ed the loop right when I heard it -- I just didn't have enough motivation and time to actually record.

This year's loop makes me go "uhhh... wha?" mostly because of the accent on 3, and definitely takes me out of my comfort zone (which in an of itself is NOT a bad thing..)  Unless some latent lightbulb goes on above my head, I have a feeling I'm going to end up displacing the measure forward a quarter to put the accent on the 2nd beat, come up with some straight ahead groove variations, displacing each back a quarter and see if anything "catches" via trial-and-error.  I also tried ignoring the "ghost" notes, leaving the main accent on 3, to see if I was inspired to come up with anything, but got nada/zilch/zip that worked when listening back with all the original notes.

Wish I had more experience with syncopated accents and whatnot so I'd "get" this one, but we'll see...
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Matt Self (Gaddabout) on April 16, 2007, 02:27 PM
Perhaps you could think of the loop as outlining a half-time feel ... with the backbeat on 3.

Personally I wouldn't get too absorbed as to where be one is with the loop. Listen for the pulse, which is the cowbell, and solo for _____ measures. I guess if you are needing the loop to keep track of your phrasing then you'll run into problems. If that is the case, then this is a very good exercise for you. It will help to get you to hear and feel phrases in your playing.

No one will know if you play to the loop thinking of beat 3 as your beat 1. The loop will be added in post-production when I mix, so as long as you are with the pulse, 118 bpm, you'll be fine.

Bart, I just want to say all of this is a great exercise. I've been thrown a few strange sketch tracks with odd percussion loops on occasion. Sometimes '1' isn't even stated. Like you say, you have to hone in on the pulse and do your own counting. This is good practice for the guys who want to do studio gigs!
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: David Aldridge on April 16, 2007, 02:42 PM
I literally smacked myself on the forehead in a "duh" moment when I read your half-time feel interpretation suggestion.  Guess I didn't get as much out of Billy Ward's "Big Time" DVD as I should have :-X.  A 59bpm metronome setting will also be good practice for me.  Gosh, there's so much learning that goes on at the Drummer Cafe  ;D

Perhaps you could think of the loop as outlining a half-time feel ... with the backbeat on 3.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on April 16, 2007, 03:27 PM


No one will know if you play to the loop thinking of beat 3 as your beat 1. The loop will be added in post-production when I mix, so as long as you are with the pulse, 118 bpm, you'll be fine.
Thank you so much. I am really having some fun with it But I think I am hearing what others are.
                 Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Matt Self (Gaddabout) on April 16, 2007, 03:32 PM
If it helps anyone, I've not even thinking of the track as a strict 4/4. It's just a pulse as far as I'm concerned. I've tried 6/8 stuff with it and it fits well. Won't tell you what I've been working on, though, because I don't want to build false expectations. LOL The names of the rhythms I'm playing are probably more impressive sounding that my actual execution.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: felix on April 16, 2007, 03:59 PM
No one will know if you play to the loop thinking of beat 3 as your beat 1. The loop will be added in post-production when I mix, so as long as you are with the pulse, 118 bpm, you'll be fine.

Cool.   When I think I stink.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Drumodad on April 16, 2007, 08:46 PM
Did the first one, missed the second, will get this one in before deadline.
Using a Korg 1600. If anyone has access to one you shouldnt have a problem figuring it out.
"So easy, even a Drumodad can do it"
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: MVanDoren1 on April 17, 2007, 12:05 AM
Don't know what I'm going to be able to come up with yet but I think I finally "get" the 3rd beat cowbell thing.  To me its not unlike listeneing to the opening of "Can You Feel it" by Phil Collins.  Maybe I should be ashamed but I just can NEVER get the down beat of 1 on the percussive opening of that song till some of the other instruments begin play as well.  Its a "feel" thing to me.  I can count fine and all but it sure is a lot easier when I can simply FEEL the beat of the song as well.
Looking forward to the challenge and have been told this should all be do-able setting up and recording at church.
If I were to want to submit a percussion piece as well should I send 2 seperate pieces keeping in mind a total not to exceed 16 measures or would it be better to have 1 piece as a mix of drumkit and percussion?
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Matt Self (Gaddabout) on April 17, 2007, 12:24 AM
If I were to want to submit a percussion piece as well should I send 2 seperate pieces keeping in mind a total not to exceed 16 measures or would it be better to have 1 piece as a mix of drumkit and percussion?

Do a mix. That would be very hip!
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: yankeeboy13 on April 17, 2007, 04:29 PM
Yea the mix would be pretty cool....i'm still debating whether to go with a latin feel or rock... :-\ maybe something in between....
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: felix on April 17, 2007, 04:38 PM
I wrote out a 16 measure solo today.

I will try to record it and see how it sounds this weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Drumodad on April 17, 2007, 04:48 PM
Is everyone going to write out a part then work it `till it shines?
 I am going to do what I did on the first one, improvise, maybe three takes.
But will probably be just like before, go with the first one.
Not sure if its the "right" way to go, but I just play along with the feel, no counting, at least not thinking about the count, just the feel. Which leads me to ask,am I a "natural" or just a fool?
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: amoacristo on April 17, 2007, 04:54 PM
I wrote out a 16 measure solo today.

If practicing isn't cool, then what description fits writing out your solo?  ;)
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: felix on April 17, 2007, 06:01 PM
I was sitting on a plane between two people today, and fresh out of reading material, no sticks.  Heck I was done in about 20 or 30 minutes  :D  I hate traveling cause then I can't practice on my kit.  But it was cool cause it got me thinking and not just noodling- although I did that a bunch and listened to the play back.  Some of the things were cool and some stunk up the studio something fierce.

I left some room for improvisation within my written solo ;D  Marked it *Shred at warp speed*  LOL  No, just "toms"

He he he, you got me there a.c.  ;D
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: amoacristo on April 17, 2007, 07:40 PM
He he he, you got me there a.c.  ;D

Score
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on April 17, 2007, 07:48 PM
Is everyone going to write out a part then work it `till it shines?
 I am going to do what I did on the first one, improvise, maybe three takes.
But will probably be just like before, go with the first one.
Not sure if its the "right" way to go, but I just play along with the feel, no counting, at least not thinking about the count, just the feel. Which leads me to ask,am I a "natural" or just a fool?
Hi Drumodad,
No, I am not writing anything out. I down loaded the rhythm track and burned it to CD and ran it through my PA and started timining my solo for 30 seconds.  I have just about got what I want to do figured out.
If I have to write what I am going to do for 30 seconds to remember it, I am in serious trouble.
I do play by feel but I am also counting.
Now I just have to figure out the Korg D16XD extended Definition digital recorder.  I have been working on it too.
I am going to start trying to record it tomorrow.
                           Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: yankeeboy13 on April 17, 2007, 07:53 PM
Is everyone going to write out a part then work it `till it shines?
Nope, i'm going improv with mine too. First challenge is convincing my dad to let me use his recorder :) From there ill practice a few times, burn the one I like, and I'm done. Sounds so simple. ;D
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Drumodad on April 17, 2007, 10:01 PM
Nutty, the 1600 manual is pretty easy to navigate, at least the version I have. Mine came with a dvd that helps also. I have the old D 1600, no extended def. here.
If you have any q`s, I might be able to supply some a`s ,send them to my msn.
Heres a readers digest version.
I set mine up with 6 mics., one per channel.
 Set record mode to input. Assign a channel to each input.
 Leave one and two open so you can bounce down the recorded channels before burning to disk. do a pre fader check,set the levels,you want to set the gain to a point just under clipping.Switch to post fader to see where the level actually is. You may have to do a couple of scratch recordings to tweak you levels
When you are happy with the levels, record.
When you have hit on a take that you like, set record mode to bounce, record to tracks 1 and 2.
 You should have two channels ready for burning to cd.
 I like to pan the channels that have the toms, bass and snare dead center.
 I wouldnt worry about any effects.
You could mess with the eq`s if you feel inclined.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Hannah Ford on April 17, 2007, 10:03 PM
I know what I'm going to play...but you guys are just scaring the crap out of me with all the tech talk!  lol

Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Drumodad on April 17, 2007, 10:37 PM
I know what I'm going to play...but you guys are just scaring the crap out of me with all the tech talk!  lol


Sorry Hannah, but that was actually as simple as possible.
Also forgive me for spelling your name backwards.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on April 17, 2007, 11:17 PM
I know what I'm going to play...but you guys are just scaring the crap out of me with all the tech talk!  lol


Hi Hannah,
Yea, I am with you.  I've done some studio recordings and am getting ready to do some more but I have never operated the equipment myself.
I guess it is time to learn?  Talk to Bart and tell him what you have to work with and I am sure he can help but I should'nt probably speak for him.
He has always been helpful to me. Sounds like he gave Gaddabout some good info that was benifical to us all?
                         Nutty
                               Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on April 18, 2007, 06:55 AM
Nutty, the 1600 manual is pretty easy to navigate, at least the version I have. Mine came with a dvd that helps also. I have the old D 1600, no extended def. here.
If you have any q`s, I might be able to supply some a`s ,send them to my msn.
Heres a readers digest version.
I set mine up with 6 mics., one per channel.
 Set record mode to input. Assign a channel to each input.
 Leave one and two open so you can bounce down the recorded channels before burning to disk. do a pre fader check,set the levels,you want to set the gain to a point just under clipping.Switch to post fader to see where the level actually is. You may have to do a couple of scratch recordings to tweak you levels
When you are happy with the levels, record.
When you have hit on a take that you like, set record mode to bounce, record to tracks 1 and 2.
 You should have two channels ready for burning to cd.
 I like to pan the channels that have the toms, bass and snare dead center.
 I wouldnt worry about any effects.
You could mess with the eq`s if you feel inclined.

Thank you for the info Drumodad,  I will print what you just wrote and use the manual. I will start on it today. Thank you for offering the help.
                         Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Hannah Ford on April 18, 2007, 07:17 AM
Hi Hannah,
Yea, I am with you.  I've done some studio recordings and am getting ready to do some more but I have never operated the equipment myself.
I guess it is time to learn?  Talk to Bart and tell him what you have to work with and I am sure he can help but I should'nt probably speak for him.
He has always been helpful to me. Sounds like he gave Gaddabout some good info that was benifical to us all?
                         Nutty
 


Thanks Nutty,

You're right Bart is always very helpful.  There are a lot of times I'd just be lost if it wasn't for the help I get from all you "experienced pro's!"

I believe I'm going to be ok with the recording.  Paul Wertico told me we could do it in his studio (very excited about that).

We'll see what happens.  Thanks again,

Hannah
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on April 18, 2007, 07:28 AM
Quote
Thanks Nutty,

You're right Bart is always very helpful.  There are a lot of times I'd just be lost if it wasn't for the help I get from all you "experienced pro's!"

I believe I'm going to be ok with the recording.  Paul Wertico told me we could do it in his studio (very excited about that).

We'll see what happens. 

Thanks again,
Hannah

Wow, Thank you Hannah,
I have never been refered to as "an experienced pro".  I am humbled by that statement.  I am in no way ever going to play at the level of Bart or Mr. A or a Chrisso or Bermuda and many more on here. Those guys are the real pros and it looks like you are on your way to being one of those pro level drummers. I just do this because I love it.  Good luck with your recording.
                            Nutty


Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: felix on April 18, 2007, 07:38 AM
"Thanks Nutty,

  Paul Wertico told me we could do it in his studio (very excited about that).


Get out of town.  Are you serious?  That is going to be full on fire!!!

You ought get him to blaze a few bars too.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on April 19, 2007, 01:25 PM
Nutty, the 1600 manual is pretty easy to navigate, at least the version I have. Mine came with a dvd that helps also. I have the old D 1600, no extended def. here.
If you have any q`s, I might be able to supply some a`s ,send them to my msn.
Thank you Drumodad for offering your help.  It is nice that Cafe members do that for each other.  Good News.  I successfully recorded it about 8 times today.  I am still trying to get the hang of mic placement and levels.
I am also not satisfied on what I want to do but I am close.  So anyway, I still have a bit of time.  What this cummunity solo has done for me is truly a blessing.  I am learning how to use this piece of equipment and yesterday I found out that since I am on the Praise team at church my studio time is free.  There is a pro studio there that operates every day.
The director told me to bring him the Korg after I have recorded it and he would dump to his system and mix it down for me for free.  HE HE, I get to learn some more. This is exciting!!!
                          Nutty
                     
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Hannah Ford on April 19, 2007, 02:14 PM
Yikes!! Now we have to have it MIXED too???? 

LOL.....this is getting kind of crazy.  I like it!
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: felix on April 19, 2007, 02:41 PM
No, you don't need to mix it to the loop hannah, just mix your drum levels *if you want*

Usually my stuff is already mixed at the time of the playback, so it's no big deal.  But everyone works a little differently with the gear and style in how they record.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on April 19, 2007, 03:00 PM
Yikes!! Now we have to have it MIXED too???? 

LOL.....this is getting kind of crazy.  I like it!
Felix is right, I could send it just the way I record it.  I just don't trust what I am doing. I am also not sure how to only send the section of recording that needs to go.  I guess I could just keep reading?  The manual will show me how to do all of it. It isn't that bad. Then I have to figure out how to convert it to a WAV file?
                               Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: MVanDoren1 on April 19, 2007, 11:46 PM
Well we don't have much of a setup to work with- there will be several microphones that I assume I'll be able to use- other wise it will be one picking up the whole she'bang and that'll have to do.  It'll be a good experience either way
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on April 27, 2007, 05:07 PM
I got my 16 measures recorded today. Now I just have to figure out how to only use what Bart asked for.  Man, I am learning something completely new.  I would like to be able to do what I need to do from here?
                          Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on May 07, 2007, 10:44 PM
I Think It is Time to bring this one back up?  We are getting down to the  dead line.  ;D We have got about a week and a half left? :-\Are you going to do it? ??? ??? I know that I had a time with getting it in the right format!! :P
Come on, it is just for fun!!! ;)
                                        Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Larry Lawless on May 07, 2007, 11:03 PM
I went to the band room to record mine today, but the custodial staff was running vacuum cleaners!! Try to get it in this week.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on May 08, 2007, 09:28 AM
I went to the band room to record mine today, but the custodial staff was running vacuum cleaners!! Try to get it in this week.
Hi Larry,
I knew you would be getting in.  I even talked one of the drummers from church into registering with the Cafe,(the more the better) and invited him over yesterday to try to lay one down with my equipment and he was having problems with hearing 4/4 time in that Rhythm track with the high cow bell pulse being one.  I guess he played with it for about and hour and a half and I recorded it and let him listen to it back but he wasn't happy with it.  If I can get him back here Friday we may get one more in there.
I really thought with the response, we would have had a bunch of Cafe members in on this one.  It is still not over yet??
                                  Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Matt Self (Gaddabout) on May 08, 2007, 10:11 AM
I went to the band room to record mine today, but the custodial staff was running vacuum cleaners!! Try to get it in this week.

I feel your pain. I keep getting put off by the studio because they keep landing paying customers. It's like flying stand by.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: felix on May 08, 2007, 10:32 AM
Fork over 50 bucks and cut a demo to land some other work/gigs while you are there.

Should be a breeze for an A player such as yourself.  Right right huh huh????   ;D

I will accept no excuses from you Gaddy.  You are destined to stink with the rest of us this time  around 8)
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Louis Russell on May 08, 2007, 10:32 AM
but the custodial staff was running vacuum cleaners!!

The custodian staff where I work would never stoop so low as to run a vacuum.   ;D
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on May 08, 2007, 10:56 AM

I will accept no excuses from you Gaddy.  You are destined to stink with the rest of us this time  around 8)
You said it Felix,
He will be in good company.  Looking forward to hear yours Gadd?

I have to say that I love Louis's little comment about their staff and the Vacuum. I did stick a smidgin of a cow bell in my third measure just for you Louis. I thought that the rhythm track didn't have enough, and all I could think of was Louis yelling "MORE COW BELL".
                              Nutty
                     Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Dave Heim on May 08, 2007, 11:00 AM
If I can get the construction job in my practice area (new ceiling, new lights, new carpeting) wrapped up in time, I'll contribute.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: felix on May 08, 2007, 01:08 PM
If I can get the construction job in my practice area (new ceiling, new lights, new carpeting) wrapped up in time, I'll contribute.

No excuse if you have electricty.  You will play better without those material trappings anyways.   8)
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: TheBeachBoy on May 08, 2007, 01:29 PM
I guess I'll be contributing this year.  Just got a new firewire interface (Alesis IO26) and am looking forward to using it.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: felix on May 08, 2007, 02:20 PM
OH, Jeez... you have no excuses Beach Boy with a first class rig like that.  That is like a Capitol Records "Room A" for around here  ;D
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on May 08, 2007, 02:39 PM
I guess I'll be contributing this year.  Just got a new firewire interface (Alesis IO26) and am looking forward to using it.
This is great, Another Cafe member getting into it ;D.  Yeah, and what nice equipment :o. And the race is on!!!! Just a little over a week and we are there 8). As my daughter would say. It's superdeedupper!!! She watches a lot of Barney ::).
                                 Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Matt Self (Gaddabout) on May 08, 2007, 05:34 PM
Hey Felix,

Just got a call from the studio. I'm slated for May 18. They just booked three bands to record three separate EPs. I'm trying to get after-hour time, but I'm afraid it's going to cost me double scale. *sigh*

Hey Beach, can I come over to your house?! ;)
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: felix on May 08, 2007, 05:57 PM
Sorry I spelled electricity wrong  ::)

Dude, the deadline is May 15th IIRC.

Aren't there anyother studios in Arizona you could go to.  Hell, I wouldn't even bother with that ordeal anyways, not unless you had to go there for some other reason.

I would just download "audacity" for free and plug in two PZM's or something.  You don't have two drum mics?  Does anybody you know have a little mixing board and a few mics?  Doesn't Winblows have a sound recording program?

Burn the loop to a cd, put on some headphones, click off 4 and lay something down.  Then just save and email.  Heck, I'd do it right where you are sitting!

I saved mine to 24 bit AIFF *head swells up, felix floats away* And OMG and does it sound INCREDIBLE.   ::) ;D :D  I know I'll get endorsed by Paste and Sonar now WERD!!!!!
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on May 08, 2007, 06:20 PM
I saved mine to 24 bit AIFF *head swells up, felix floats away* And OMG and does it sound INCREDIBLE.   ::) ;D :D  I know I'll get endorsed by Paste and Sonar now WERD!!!!!
I had mine in 24bit too but when I took the Korg to the studio and we dumped it to his Mackie he put it back to 16 bits but the sound quality was very good still. There are folks on here that will probably use two mic's and a computer like what Felix is talking about.  Surely Gadd there is another way?
                     Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: TheBeachBoy on May 10, 2007, 08:33 PM
Hey Beach, can I come over to your house?! ;)

Sure, if you want to drive all the way out to West New Mexico, as I like to call it (OK, about a mile from AJ, but still pretty far from everything! :)

Yeah, so far I like that Alesis.  Sounds pretty good for my demo, can't wait to try it out more.  Still trying to figure out how to get my DAW to record in 24 bit so I'll sound as good as felix! ;)

Just sent mine in, so now we play the waiting game.  I hate the waiting game--think I'll play Hungry Hungry Hippos instead!
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Gaetano Nicolosi on May 11, 2007, 07:17 AM
I am glad to know that some of you already recorded the solo and sent to Bart!
I have been busy with other projects, so I did not have time to record mine yet. But I will get it done for sure sometime this weekend...

Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Snowdogyyz on May 11, 2007, 02:00 PM
I put down 3-4 attempts yesterday.. will listen this weekend to see if any of them are worthy. Glad to see such a huge response to this! 
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Gaetano Nicolosi on May 11, 2007, 03:31 PM
Done!

I had today some time to record my solo and I already sent to Bart.



Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on May 11, 2007, 04:44 PM
Done!

I had today some time to record my solo and I already sent to Bart.




Awesome Gaetano.  They are starting to come in.  The more the better!! I enjoyed yours last year.  Looking forward to hearing this one.
                                  Nutty
               
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Hannah Ford on May 13, 2007, 12:41 AM


Mine's in!!!

 ;D
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Bart Elliott on May 13, 2007, 06:09 PM
If you haven't recorded you solo yet, but can do so before the end of the month ... do it!

I don't want to extend the deadline any further or longer than that however. I'm going to go ahead and begin mixing next week ... so if you think you can get your solo recorded, but just need a little bit of extra time ... let me know!
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on May 13, 2007, 07:40 PM
Hey Felix,

Just got a call from the studio. I'm slated for May 18. They just booked three bands to record three separate EPs. I'm trying to get after-hour time, but I'm afraid it's going to cost me double scale. *sigh*

Hey Beach, can I come over to your house?! ;)
Hey Gaddy,
Looks like you have the time to do this the way you wanted to do it!!!
Looking forward to hearing all these solos!!!
                                Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Gaetano Nicolosi on May 13, 2007, 09:29 PM
Awesome Gaetano.  They are starting to come in.  The more the better!! I enjoyed yours last year.  Looking forward to hearing this one.
                                  Nutty
               


Thanks drumnut1. I am lookink forward to listen your solo too!

Come on guys! More peaple, more solos, more fun!

Hey Lawless, did you already record your solo?
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Larry Lawless on May 13, 2007, 10:35 PM

Hey Lawless, did you already record your solo?


Unfortunately, no. Having some difficulty right now with time and family issues, but am still going to try to get it in.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: felix on May 14, 2007, 08:58 AM
Awesome Gaetano.  They are starting to come in.  The more the better!! I enjoyed yours last year.  Looking forward to hearing this one.
                                  Nutty
               

Yep, Gae plays incredible.  I'm looking forward to hearing his solo also.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: chefdoug on May 14, 2007, 04:47 PM
   I had intended to get mine done this past weekend, but I just ran out of time. I have my mics set up and ready to record though. I plan on getting mine done this weekend, so let me sneak it in Bart.
   I can't break my streak since I have been on the past two community solos.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Drumodad on May 14, 2007, 06:05 PM
If you haven't recorded you solo yet, but can do so before the end of the month ... do it!

I don't want to extend the deadline any further or longer than that however. I'm going to go ahead and begin mixing next week ... so if you think you can get your solo recorded, but just need a little bit of extra time ... let me know!

Thanks Govorner, by the end of the week, I promise.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on May 14, 2007, 07:04 PM
Wow, the track was down loaded 207 times :o. Looks like there are about 8 or 9 in now and about 3 or 4 working on them.  Come on folks,
the more the better. ;D You still have a little time!! Felix was telling me that we have a buch of drummers on here that can really shread? ;)
                               Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Hannah Ford on May 14, 2007, 08:51 PM
This is really getting exciting!!  I can't wait to hear the end result...it's going to be awesome!

 :D
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: agogobil on May 14, 2007, 10:40 PM
Ok, I'm on there ...

just like taxes, I wait til the last minute.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: MVanDoren1 on May 15, 2007, 05:57 AM
Should be done on Thursday this week.  Don't know exactly what its going to be like quality wise, I just found out that it'll have to be recorded analog then converted to digital.  The church is considering purchasing a digital board with recording capabilities, I'd seen many CD recordings of sermon's, etc. and so thought we had one already...apparently... I was wrrrr...
I was wrrrrrrroo....... I was wronnnnnnnn.................mmmm, perhaps I wasn't as correct as I usually am ;D.
I was worried I wasn't gonna get to do this after all so thanks Bart for the extension.  I'm thinking that I want to submit say 8 measures worth on drum kit and 8 on auxillary.  Can I send those in 2 seperate 8 measure recording or do I need to send a complete 16 measures in a row?   
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on May 17, 2007, 05:50 AM
I just got a PM from another cafe member that is getting his done. :)
Looks like we are going to have a good turn out this year? :o
I can't wait to hear it. :D
                                Nutty
Title: Drummer Cafe community solo 3
Post by: Bart Elliott on May 23, 2007, 07:11 AM
There's still time to get your solo in!

I'm going to start mixing the community solo next week, so don't delay!
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Todd Norris on May 24, 2007, 12:27 AM
Argh, times getting away from me.  Fortunately, I have some time off next week and can get it in by the 31st.   ;D
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: MVanDoren1 on May 25, 2007, 12:55 AM
I was going to send it in today but had to stay home with a sick child.  I know this is cutting it close but will try to get it in this weekend or next week prior to the deadline.
This IS very exciting, enjoyed the last one (listening to it) hope to be part of this one and in so getting to rub shoulders with the big wigs
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on May 29, 2007, 04:37 PM
Looks like a few more are coming in.  Glad Dave was able to get in.
This should be really cool listening to all these different styles. Just a couple days left. ;D
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Hannah Ford on May 29, 2007, 07:24 PM
Looks like a few more are coming in.  Glad Dave was able to get in.
This should be really cool listening to all these different styles. Just a couple days left. ;D


You're right!  Should be very cool!!!
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: eardrum on May 30, 2007, 01:48 AM
I was swamped with work the last few weeks so kind of wrote this off but low and behold, and deadline extension - man I love extensions!!  So I sat down tonight and actually tried to record something.  But this is proving more difficult than I expected. I'm just getting familiar with my recording stuff - getting a decent sound - and then actually trying to come up with something that I won't be completely ashamed of.  Yikes and that cowbell on three.  If nothing else this is a great lesson/exercise and I'm already happy it's forcing me to stretch.  "Lord willing and the creek don't rise" I may actually get something done tomorrow night in time for the show. 
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: 05R6 on May 30, 2007, 09:07 AM
I skipped a couple of pages..but was wondering are you guys playing to the same fixed tempo..Is there some thing that is set up for you to play to?
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Louis Russell on May 30, 2007, 09:17 AM
I skipped a couple of pages..but was wondering are you guys playing to the same fixed tempo..Is there some thing that is set up for you to play to?

Bart provided a loop you can download. 
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on May 30, 2007, 09:24 AM
I skipped a couple of pages..but was wondering are you guys playing to the same fixed tempo..Is there some thing that is set up for you to play to?
Go to the other Community solo post and read Barts first post and you will see the down load at the bottom of that post.
http://www.drummercafe.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,2/topic,20910.0.
                              Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on May 30, 2007, 12:55 PM
Perhaps you could think of the loop as outlining a half-time feel ... with the backbeat on 3.

Personally I wouldn't get too absorbed as to where be one is with the loop. Listen for the pulse, which is the cowbell, and solo for _____ measures. I guess if you are needing the loop to keep track of your phrasing then you'll run into problems. If that is the case, then this is a very good exercise for you. It will help to get you to hear and feel phrases in your playing.

No one will know if you play to the loop thinking of beat 3 as your beat 1. The loop will be added in post-production when I mix, so as long as you are with the pulse, 118 bpm, you'll be fine.
There was this discussion back a few pages ago.  I had more luck using the High Pulse as ONE but that is just me. Bart was right, it was a good exercise.
                  Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Dave Heim on May 30, 2007, 01:07 PM
There was this discussion back a few pages ago.  I had more luck using the High Pulse as ONE but that is just me. Bart was right, it was a good exercise.
                  Nutty

Just count out loud along with it.  Start on "three" when you hear the high cowbell ("THREE, four, one, two, THREE, four. . ."). 

When you count, accent the "three" when you say it.  After a few bars you'll feel it fall into place.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on May 30, 2007, 01:25 PM
Just count out loud along with it.  Start on "three" when you hear the high cowbell ("THREE, four, one, two, THREE, four. . ."). 

When you count, accent the "three" when you say it.  After a few bars you'll feel it fall into place.
I understand Dave. I already sent mine in and it didn't have the rhythm track with it.  As long as it is in 4/4 time it will still work. The only difference is my cymbals will hit on 3 instead of one.  I am not sure how that is going to work out but Bart said you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. If he tracks the first cymbal hit on One it will still work.
              Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on May 30, 2007, 01:44 PM
Just count out loud along with it.  Start on "three" when you hear the high cowbell ("THREE, four, one, two, THREE, four. . ."). 

When you count, accent the "three" when you say it.  After a few bars you'll feel it fall into place.
Ok,
I went back and listened to it and counted it that way and it still works just fine.  You had me a bit worried there? I was trying to record one for another drummer and it was the way he was hearing it too. For some reason it just felt right and being me it do most of my drumming completely by feel.
                      Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: JeepnDrummer on May 31, 2007, 12:11 AM
I finally got a mic hooked up to my computer and got it working.  Yeah, only one lousey mic. :)  Anyway, the soonest I could possibly get something recorded is this Friday.  Is that past the due date?  Then again, after I listened to the little bit of test recording I did it might be in my best interest NOT to contribute. ;D
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Bart Elliott on May 31, 2007, 06:40 AM
Go ahead and keep the solos coming. I've already started mixing, but I can add additional solos as we I go. I've been very busy with other gigs and sessions, so I haven't even recorded mine own solo yet. You definitely have through the weekend ... so I need them by June 4th now.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Steve Phelps (Shoeless) on May 31, 2007, 10:14 AM
Dang!, just got done with some outpatient surgery in a place only my proctologist would go. Guess I'll be sitting out the solo this year. On the plus side I've never felt more fortunate to be an unemployeed drummer.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Dave Heim on May 31, 2007, 10:19 AM
Dang!, just got done with some outpatient surgery in a place only my proctologist would go. . . .

Be sure to ask for a second opinion - the doctor uses two fingers!   :o

(I hope all is well)
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Louis Russell on May 31, 2007, 11:02 AM
Dang!, just got done with some outpatient surgery in a place only my proctologist would go. Guess I'll be sitting out the solo this year.

It may feel better to stand out the solo this year.   ;D  I hope you heal soon. 
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on May 31, 2007, 02:56 PM
Dang!, just got done with some outpatient surgery in a place only my proctologist would go. Guess I'll be sitting out the solo this year. On the plus side I've never felt more fortunate to be an unemployeed drummer.
Man that's a bunch on information.  Hope you get to feeling better!!!
                         Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: eardrum on May 31, 2007, 03:02 PM
That's called TMI :-[
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: agogobil on May 31, 2007, 06:13 PM
Dang!, just got done with some outpatient surgery in a place only my proctologist would go. Guess I'll be sitting out the solo this year. On the plus side I've never felt more fortunate to be an unemployeed drummer.

congas?  timbales?  xylophone?  ... you can still put up a solo ... go for it!
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on May 31, 2007, 09:27 PM
congas?  timbales?  xylophone?  ... you can still put up a solo ... go for it!

I agree agogobil,
Dave from Chicago is in the middle of construction so he pulled a few drums out and did it with his hands.  Now that is determination. I am sorry Dave, that I let the cat out the bag but I have to say, it takes guts.
I am really looking forward to hearing everyone. Bart has extended the deadline twice.   I will bet we have a great turn out this year?
                  Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Dave Heim on May 31, 2007, 11:31 PM
I agree agogobil,
Dave from Chicago is in the middle of construction so he pulled a few drums out and did it with his hands.  Now that is determination. I am sorry Dave, that I let the cat out the bag but I have to say, it takes guts. . . .

You'll all be totally underwhelmed, trust me.  :)
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: eardrum on June 01, 2007, 01:11 AM
WhoooHOooo!!!  After several hours of recording myself and feeling pretty bad about my ability to play to the loop I'm done.  Here it comes Bart and all with my own special sense of time (ahhhhh).....   Hey and it's not even midnight here. :)

I need to say Thanks to Bart and everyone here for inspiring me to get this done.  It became a much bigger job than it could have been because I wanted to finally play with my mics/mixer and IPOD recording.  After finally getting it sounding half way decent (no where near where I want) I then had play something and honestly I had a hard time.  BUT I'm actually happy with the result and I've learned a ton just going through the exercise.  Again thanks Bart.....
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: MVanDoren1 on June 01, 2007, 01:49 AM
Eardrum- though I didn't do any of the mixing, setting mic levels, etc. I too felt that all in all, in the end this was a very worthwhile experience.  My music minister helped with my recording (working with substandard components, pretty outdated, etc.) setting mics and levels then turned on the tape recorder (yes thats cassette tape thankyou very much) which id part of the system and said I'll see you later.  I recorded many takes some because I mesed up and others because I had a different idea on what could be done.  That led to other retakes due to mistakes because I found that my mind has a highly exaggerated opinion of my own playing- thinking it possible for me to accomplish things that my arms and legs say, "yeah...right, whatEVVVVER", to.
End result- several dozen attempts and about 5 that I really thought were my best; 3 on kit (Hot Rods, for a change and a little different texture, I like the playing with hands idea can't wait to hear that, bass, snare, hats and a couple crashes) and 2 on percussion (2 congas, tambourine, sizzle cymbal and bar chimes- not all that I have just what I had played for the take I sent to Bart).  I'm not a chops monster with blazing speed- but what I put together was pretty representative of how I like to play.  Whats good about this (community solo, not MY contribution per se) then is that with so many contributions we can really get a sense of the endless possibilites that can exist. That can in turn inspire more creativity and whalla- growth!
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: eardrum on June 01, 2007, 01:12 PM
....That led to other retakes due to mistakes because I found that my mind has a highly exaggerated opinion of my own playing- thinking it possible for me to accomplish things that my arms and legs say, "yeah...right, whatEVVVVER", to........

Ditto! I hear Weckl/Gadd/Ringo/Moon/Erskine/etc but alas.......  and our arms and legs must have gone to the same attitude adjustment seminar. 
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: TheBeachBoy on June 01, 2007, 05:25 PM
Ditto! I hear Weckl/Gadd/Ringo/Moon/Erskine/etc but alas.......  and our arms and legs must have gone to the same attitude adjustment seminar. 

Reminds me of the saying "the mind is willing but the flesh is weak."  I know I sound just like Buddy Rich in my mind, but on tape it's a whole other ball game.
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on June 02, 2007, 11:00 PM
WhoooHOooo!!!  After several hours of recording myself and feeling pretty bad about my ability to play to the loop I'm done.  Here it comes Bart and all with my own special sense of time (ahhhhh).....   Hey and it's not even midnight here. :)

I need to say Thanks to Bart and everyone here for inspiring me to get this done. Again thanks Bart.....
Good post eardrum,
Looking forward to it.  It is going to be a banner year.  Bart said that he had already doubled the number last year two weeks ago. We must have some that haven't posted that said they were in? I would bet that a few more come floating in..???There is a few more days!!
                                    Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on June 04, 2007, 08:46 PM
Go ahead and keep the solos coming. I've already started mixing, but I can add additional solos as we I go. I've been very busy with other gigs and sessions, so I haven't even recorded mine own solo yet. You definitely have through the weekend ... so I need them by June 4th now.
Hi Bart,
Can you give us the final count yet or are you still taking solos?
                                            Nutty
Title: Re: Drummer Cafe community solo 3!!!
Post by: Mark Counts on June 23, 2007, 06:18 PM
Hi Bart,
Can you give us the final count yet or are you still taking solos?
                                            Nutty
Wow, Three seperate threads on the solo.  I got to talk to Bart in the chat room the other day and he said there were somewhere around 15 or so solo's ;D.  Going to be the best turn out yet 8).
                                     Nutty