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« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2006, 01:42 PM »
Ya my 18 year old son loves the Cars

I work for Princeton University and have come to know many of the students here. You would not beleive how big 80's pop music is with this age group right now. I hear these kids listening to Bon Jovi, Journey, the Cars and many others of the like. Some of them work with me and put this stuff on in the office, most of it is older than them.

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« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2006, 01:43 PM »
Sorry I guess I should be calling nickelback post grunge, one of the most uninventive bands of the last several years.

 I think that it should be taken into consideration that all the classic rock was the first,


 I get you dont like Nickelback and thats fine. But get the facts straight. Everything that came out after 1995 could be considered post grunge.  Nickelback songs arent about how the world sucks and they want to kill themselves, they fully admit they want to be famous and make lots of money. They want to be decadent rockstars. Everything grunge was against. They are just a typical rock band.

Before they were classic rock, they were the underground then modern, and then corporate rock of their day. Thats how it works. Underground gets discovered, it becomes modern/maistream, then record companies start cloning it.  The beatles (the biggest mainstream band of all time) were the nirvana of their day. Parents hated them, they were against anything the establishment said they should do musically, they drank, they smoked. Elvis was considered almost pornographic because of his dance.  Whatch out the next generation is gonna think Slipknot is a lamo old mans band, that only your parents would listen to.

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« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2006, 02:55 PM »
chefdoug, last i heard the Smashing Pumpkins were getting back together. I heard that... i think this past summer, so i would say unless they decided not to do it anymore, they will have a cd out sometime this year.

lilblakdak, about Slipknot. I don't know if i'd say they are an old man's group. It seems to me that most kids go through their slipknot stage. Most of their fans are kids are are trying to be "different." They are the MTV version of a rebel.
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« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2006, 03:12 PM »
Ok, it's time to share my opinions on this topic.

Firstly, I'm on the anti-Nickleback party. I find their music unimaginative and boring, just very very generic heavy rock really.

Not that that's actually relevant to the topic.

Secondly, I think that there are some bands today that people will still listen to in years to come. The first that came to mind for me were Muse and Oasis, but there have been quite a lot suggested which I would agree with also. They have large fanbases who will continue to listen to their music should they break up, and if they carry on recording people will still be buying their records.

But as I see it, that's not what this topic is about. It's not about whether people carry on buying/listening to their music - it's about whether *new* generations start listening to it.

I know plenty of people who are under 20 and routinely listen to bands from the 60s and 70s (and from before/after then). In fact, probably the majority of people my age who listen to music regularly, listen to bands like Black Sabbath and Zeppelin. This is what I think makes the classic - not that people carry on listening to them - but that a new generation of music lovers have discovered and embraced them.

Will this happen in the future? Noone knows. But personally I am doubtful that it will - at least, not in the significant way that it has prior to now.


[Also, re: Smashing Pumpkins, Jimmy Chamberlin said in a clinic last summer that they were planning on getting together again]

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« Reply #44 on: January 15, 2006, 03:18 PM »

lilblakdak, about Slipknot. I don't know if i'd say they are an old man's group. It seems to me that most kids go through their slipknot stage. Most of their fans are kids are are trying to be "different." They are the MTV version of a rebel.
I said will be not are. think about what the Stones represented in the 70's. Know look at the geriatric crowd they draw. Things go in cycles its not good or bad its life.

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« Reply #45 on: January 15, 2006, 06:09 PM »
If those bands are dead and gone, how come the Stones pack any performance they play? Sure don't seem dead to me....They're still selling, making money and lots of it.    ::)

You seen Keith Richards lately....looks pretty dead to me ;D ;D ;)

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« Reply #46 on: January 15, 2006, 06:36 PM »
BTW according to an interview i saw Nickleback was one of Dimebag's favourite bands.

Yeah, Chad Kroeger and Dimebag were good friends. There's a song on Nickelback's new album that's about his death, and it features a solo that Dimebag recorded shortly before he died, but never released anywhere.
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« Reply #47 on: January 15, 2006, 06:39 PM »
Dead, are you kidding? those bands (except for the who) are known by most people at my school. dead is the wrong way to put it. Metallica, led zeppelin, and rolling stones are still as popular, if not more popular than they were then.

Sorry, I phrased that badly. I meant that most of the bands on the list were gone and forgotten, while many classic bands (like Metallica, Led Zeppelin etc...) were not on there. My bad.
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« Reply #48 on: January 15, 2006, 09:47 PM »
But there are also a lot of old bands nobody remembers. Also, alot of times it just takes some down time for the band to skyrocket. Van goh, a painter was never considered famous until he died. So maybe some bands aren't awesomely un-faddish right now. You never really know.

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« Reply #49 on: January 15, 2006, 10:43 PM »
But as I see it, that's not what this topic is about. It's not about whether people carry on buying/listening to their music - it's about whether *new* generations start listening to it.


No it's not about whether they start listening too it, its whether they keep listening to it.

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« Reply #50 on: January 15, 2006, 10:44 PM »
Sorry, I phrased that badly. I meant that most of the bands on the list were gone and forgotten, while many classic bands (like Metallica, Led Zeppelin etc...) were not on there. My bad.

oh, ya, ;D

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« Reply #51 on: January 16, 2006, 07:59 AM »
Van goh, a painter was never considered famous until he died.

The music business is different.  Vincent Van Gogh painted primarily for his love of art and painting itself.  He did not create beauty solely for recognition.  Can you play for the love of music?  Sure you can!  It was not his plan, but Van Gogh could paint all he wanted and let the painting sit around until the art community discovered the genius of his work.  A band on the other hand, must have at least a modicum of success to be able to produce and distribute the music.  If music is not exposed to the general public, how could they ever be considered a classic?  I have over 6000 demo 45-rpm records from unknown bands that I have collected.  Many of them are what I consider very good art.  Given that I enjoy some of these songs years from now, who else would recognize the song, much less the name of the group?  Exposure and marketing have a lot to do with temporary success in music.  Some groups have had the exposure and marketing and also have the technical ability and education to pass the fad stage of their genre.  These groups continue to produce and will remembered and listened to for years to come.  
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« Reply #52 on: January 16, 2006, 08:47 AM »
this thread's hilarious... ;D

made my morning. :)
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« Reply #53 on: January 16, 2006, 09:09 AM »
I just did some research on the net. Nickleback is referred to but not limited to pop/rock and metal. I don't know about you but it sounds like a specific genre to me...

Well everyone is gonna have a genre for a band. So people would classify KISS as Hard Rock, and I kinda put them under Classic Metal. Like all music, thhis thread  is based on opinion, so there will be lots of opinions about things.

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« Reply #54 on: January 16, 2006, 09:17 AM »
i think indie rock music is a fad, nerd rock a fad, mars volta a fad....music is like clothing the style will change with the times....bell bottoms came back and left so will indie nerd rock bands...

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« Reply #55 on: January 16, 2006, 09:18 AM »
Metallica,Heavy metal.Ac Dc Hard rock. Led zeppelin Fathers of Metal. Most of the general rock-genre specific bands came from these bands. Name one rock band that isn't a specific genre.

I meant to put this in the previous post.

You wanted a band without a specific genre... here it is.


Led Zeppelin- as you say Fathers of Metal
Listen to Black Dog. Then listen to Fool on the Rain. Notice a difference? Led Zeppelin once said that they play what they want to play, not what they are EXPECTED to play. They did all sorts of music genres... to the point where I didn't even know some of it was Zeppelin. You can't judge a band by the hits album.

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« Reply #56 on: January 16, 2006, 09:39 AM »
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I would LIKE to see Queens of the Stoneage fit that description....That guitarist/singer/writer is a freakin' genuis...if you think Sister and Go With the Flow is all there is to them....check out their B side stuff. Amazing band and a really great drummer. No two of their songs are the same..from pop to heavy metal and everything in between..

I would also like to see Queens of the Stone Age stick around.  Really great band.  ^^He pretty much summed up my views.  I also think a lot of people under-rate their drummer.
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« Reply #57 on: January 16, 2006, 10:23 AM »
this thread's hilarious... ;D

made my morning. :)

Ya, i didn't expect it to grow this popular. ::)

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« Reply #58 on: January 16, 2006, 10:28 AM »
I meant to put this in the previous post.

You wanted a band without a specific genre... here it is.


Led Zeppelin- as you say Fathers of Metal
Listen to Black Dog. Then listen to Fool on the Rain. Notice a difference? Led Zeppelin once said that they play what they want to play, not what they are EXPECTED to play. They did all sorts of music genres... to the point where I didn't even know some of it was Zeppelin. You can't judge a band by the hits album.


Did i say that led zeppelin is only one specific genre? If i did sorry i don't mean it, i was saying that no matter what type of song they play the songs will have a genre. Other than some blues, and country (ish) songs then they play mostly rock.

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« Reply #59 on: January 16, 2006, 07:09 PM »
i think indie rock music is a fad, nerd rock a fad, mars volta a fad....music is like clothing the style will change with the times....bell bottoms came back and left so will indie nerd rock bands...
I really dislike it when people (not insinuating that you are, just the general pub) try to use "indie" as a genre.  It's not.  I know that it is sometimes marketed as such and that kind of irritates me.  There are independent rap bands, country bands, pop bands, you name it.  It's a shame that you even HAVE to catergorize your music these days.  For a young band it is really hard trying to be an independent "indie" band and constantly having to battle down genres and supposed sounds... It's like right off the bat we're either labeled as emo or alternative just by the fact that we DO NOT play speed/death metal or punk (two dominant scenes where we live/play.)  

Other than that I think that a MULTITUDE of bands from the 90s will be remembered.  As long as those grunge and alt songs from the 90s continue to get airplay, they'll be popular.  

 

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