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Erk

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sound proofing/electric kit
« on: July 17, 2008, 09:29 PM »
Hey guys, I was just wondering if anyone would know how to go about sound proofing my basement. It's hard to get practice in when you have 4 other people screaming at you to stop. My room and drum kit is in the basement. So, does anyone know how to sound proof a basemen? Or, should i just get an electric kit? Which one would be cheaper? Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: sound proofing/electric kit
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2008, 02:37 AM »
Neither are cheap I'm afraid.
Use the search function here.
Both sound proofing and e-kits for practice have been extensively discussed before.

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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2008, 09:30 AM »
Neither are cheap I'm afraid.
Use the search function here.
Both sound proofing and e-kits for practice have been extensively discussed before.

Well for sound proofing a basement whats a good estimated price? because if its over like 400-600 that's a little too much.

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Re: sound proofing/electric kit
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2008, 10:52 AM »
To really do the job right, you'd have to spend more than that, and that's assuming you do the work yourself. Creating a proper sound isolating space requires a lot of materials and specialised building techniques to get right.

I don't know about U.S. prices, but to get a better idea of what you might spend, I recommend you visit johnlsayers.com and make use of their "Construction" forum. Read the sticky topics before you post, too. That'll give you some idea of what soundproofing might entail.

That said, on that kind of budget, an electronic kit is probably your answer.

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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2008, 11:41 AM »
I'm "sound proofing" my garage, after extensive planning, research, contacting tradies, it's looking like it's going to cost around 20k aussie. I wouldn't expect much less in US dollars.

I'm sorry but no amount of eggcartons, mattresses, carpets, or blankets is going to act to ISOLATE your basement sonically. (I use the phrase sound isolation because sound proof is a misnoma)

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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2008, 11:49 AM »
how much is 20k aussie in US dollars?

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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2008, 11:51 AM »
Well as a currency conversion it would only be like ~$19,000 U.S.

I think one Aussie dollar buys 95 US cents at the moment.

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« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2008, 12:50 PM »
What's the basic construction of your garage, Antman? I just did half of a single skin brick garage (using double wall construction, etc.) for about £3000 (UK Pounds) all in. I got a significant improvement in isolation, the only thing really audible is the bass drum and even that is very quiet. We used standard materials and a design I created from a lot of research.Twenty grand seems VERY pricey to me.

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« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2008, 03:27 PM »
Well as a currency conversion it would only be like ~$19,000 U.S.

I think one Aussie dollar buys 95 US cents at the moment.

WOAH DUDE, are you searious? It would cost me $19,000? That's crazy.

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« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2008, 05:24 PM »
What's the basic construction of your garage, Antman?

Hmm, yes, I'm having a large shed properly soundproofed for recording for a little more than that.
Did you see the series of home studio articles in Sound Technology Magazine Antman?
I also have a rough description from someone else's garage conversion I could share with you. I know theirs didn't cost anything like $20k.

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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2008, 06:53 AM »
Hmm, yes, I'm having a large shed properly soundproofed for recording for a little more than that.
Did you see the series of home studio articles in Sound Technology Magazine Antman?
I also have a rough description from someone else's garage conversion I could share with you. I know theirs didn't cost anything like $20k.

Do you have any info on the sound tech article (link) or is it available only from a magazine subscription?  Thanks.

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Re: sound proofing/electric kit
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2008, 08:40 AM »
For more info on soundproofing, I also recommend the forum at johnlsayers.com.

http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/index.php

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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2008, 10:26 AM »
I just had a baby, and so I turned to craigslist and got a complete Roland TD-7 set for $450. Now I can play all night with headphones (playing along to my iPod), and it doesn't bother anybody.
If you are playing in your basement, someone directly above you might be able to hear you, but in that case you'll only have to insulate the floor right above your head (instead of isolating an entire room).

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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2008, 05:38 PM »
Do you have any info on the sound tech article (link)

I think there were about 4 or 5 articles, but at least one is downloadable:
http://www.audiotechnology.com.au/back.html

There's also a video diary viewable on the magazine's home page:
http://www.audiotechnology.com.au

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Re: sound proofing/electric kit
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2008, 10:52 PM »
My advice:  Do both.  Do a cheapie soundproofing of your practice space and buy a used electronic kit.  Otherwise, you'll drive your family/roomates nuts.

Low budget soundproofing can contain the noise well enough that the neighbours in the next building aren't bothered by the sound of an acoustic kit, but the people in the next room?  Forget it.

Without any   soundproofing, even the e-kit will likely be enough to drive your family/roommates nuts.  Try smacking your bass drum pedal into a block of wood repeatedly.  That's about the sound your e-kit will make.  It's pretty annoying after a while.

If you're interested, I can give advice about cheapie soundproofing, but I guarantee it won't be good enough for an acoustic kit.

What you really need is a freestanding shed or garage that you can soundproof well enough.  That can be done fairly cheaply. 

Personally, I've done a very cheap job of soundproofing half my garage.  I use an e-kit in there with real cymbals and nobody even knows when I'm playing.  When my sweetie is away (including one night a week for band practice), I play the acoustic kit in the basement with brushes or rods.  The bass drum is completely stuffed with pillows , the other drums are damped, and the basement has zero soundproofing.  So far, the neighbours aren't complaining.

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« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2008, 09:51 AM »
Hmm...

Okay, so maybe I need to re-examine a few things  :-X

But I think the OP mentioned a figure like $400, and that, to me, seems unrealistic. However, to make an electronic kit bareable I could imagine something like that working. I think dealing with flanking paths connected directly to the kit would probably help a lot. Such as a platform for the kit.

Chris if you could share more of those details with me (In PM?) that would be appreciated.

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Re: sound proofing/electric kit
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2008, 01:14 PM »
I built a studio in my basement two and a half years ago.  It was a new construction home with the basement being built around the studio (two walls concrete foundation, with HVAC and electrical modified as necessary during construction).

The room is 12'X20' and I estimate that I spent about $5,000 $3,250 extra for materials and labor.  This number is in addition to what it otherwise cost to finish the room (I.e., the $5,000 is for second interior wall, sound board, extra layer of drywall, second door with weather stripping, specialty lighting, etc.).  I hung and caulked the soundboard myself.  Keep in mind the house was designed around this room, I started with a hole in the ground and was able to build and direct when the walls were still bare studs.  If you needed to move HVAC, plumbing, gas lines, etc. expect the cost to increase substantially.

Here's a thread that details the construction of this room.

 http://www.drummercafe.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,2/topic,15238.0]http://www.drummercafe.com/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,2/topic,15238.0

(I'm actually kind of disappointed that the pictures didn't show up.  I have kept them hosted specifically for this thread.  Anyone know why they are red X's now?)

Corey

EDIT:  My photo host switched hosting software (or servers or something) and I didn't make the switch.  Sorry about the red-X's in that thread.  I'll have to rebuild it when I get time.   :(

EDIT:  After reviewing my build thread I saw that the total cost of my project was $3,250 so I editted it to correct the cost.

 

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